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01-03-2022, 10:45 AM
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Trump Endorses Viktor Orban, Hungary’s Far-Right Prime Minister
Democracy in Hungary has been backsliding under Mr. Orban, whose efforts to consolidate power have caused consternation in the European Union.
But iam the crazy one for thinking Trump and his followers are a direct threat to the US
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01-03-2022, 11:11 AM
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Trump Endorses Viktor Orban, Hungary’s Far-Right Prime Minister
"Far-Right"--that's a convenient rather meaningless label--sort of like how "fascism" is used to describe politics one doesn't like.
Democracy in Hungary has been backsliding under Mr. Orban,
Hungarians would be who decide if their Democracy is "backsliding"--your opinion, and that of your sources, notwithstanding.
whose efforts to consolidate power have caused consternation in the European Union.
Yikes, "consternation in the European Union." Is consternation there a new phenomenon? It seems to have been consterned for a long time. Since its inception, there have been predictions that it would fall apart. On the other hand, maybe that's a good sign. A healthy "democracy" should have good levels of consternation. Lockstep is a road to dictatorship.
And as far as consolidating power goes, that seems to be the norm for political parties. You don't think that Democrats spend "efforts to consolidate power?
But iam the crazy one for thinking Trump and his followers are a direct threat to the US
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Yeah, that is a looney idea. BTW, here's another take on Trump's "false claims" of election fraud:
https://justthenews.com/government/c...tor-commenting
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01-04-2022, 02:10 PM
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Trump Endorses Viktor Orban, Hungary’s Far-Right Prime Minister
and you post excuses
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01-04-2022, 03:07 PM
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Trump Endorses Viktor Orban, Hungary’s Far-Right Prime Minister
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I didn't excuse anything. What did I say that is not true?
And what do you mean by "far right"? What do you mean by "right"? What would you consider "not-so-far right"? What would you consider smack-dab-in the middle right? What would you consider "way-way-way far right"? What would you consider "so-way-way-way-far out right" that it is no longer distinguishable in meaningful substance from "so-way-way-way-far out left?
And what do you consider yourself to be in that directional spectrum of good and bad or right and wrong? And are you that because you think that's the good or best spot to be? And do you affix "far" in front of a spot on the spectrum simply to denote a position, or to disapprove of a position? And if "far" indicates that you disapprove, who the hell are you to determine what is bad simply by saying it's too "far right"?
Do you have any clue as to what problems the people of Hungary are having in terms of preserving what they think is "Hungarian"? Do you believe they should drop all that ethnic foolishness and just be "European"? Do you believe that the nations of the European Union should dissolve their nominal identification and delineated borders and simply refer to themselves as European? Do you believe, for their own good and the good of "the world," they should become a State named Europe rather than being a European Union?
Do you believe we should become the United State rather than being the United States?
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01-04-2022, 03:58 PM
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analysis of 2022 secretary of state races across the country found at least 15 Republican candidates running who question the legitimacy of President Biden's 2020 win, even though no evidence of widespread fraud has been uncovered about the race over the last 14 months. In fact, claims of any sort of fraud that swung the election have been explicitly refuted in state after state, including those run by Republicans.
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01-04-2022, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
analysis of 2022 secretary of state races across the country found at least 15 Republican candidates running who question the legitimacy of President Biden's 2020 win, even though no evidence of widespread fraud has been uncovered about the race over the last 14 months. In fact, claims of any sort of fraud that swung the election have been explicitly refuted in state after state, including those run by Republicans.
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i agree with you, it’s bad to make fake claims of election fraud. but you could care less when democrats tried to undermine the 2016 election, you could care less that Abrams claims hers was stolen. it’s only bad when republicans do it.
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01-05-2022, 09:04 AM
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i agree with you, it’s bad to make fake claims of election fraud. but you could care less when democrats tried to undermine the 2016 election, you could care less that Abrams claims hers was stolen. it’s only bad when republicans do it.
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Again thank for you false equivalence
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01-05-2022, 09:10 AM
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Seeing Trump bailed on his Jan 6th event no worries for our resident jan6 th minimizers. They Can tune in to
Newsmax to Air 'Day of Outrage' for Jan. 6 Anniversary. Day of Outrage” was produced by Newsmax to accurately and fairly detail the events related to the Capitol siege of Jan. 6.
With the following guests
The program includes exclusive interviews with Greg Kelly, who is the host of "Greg Kelly Reports"; Sebastian Gorka, former strategist to President Donald Trump; Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga.; Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas; retired Marine Gunnery Sgt. Jessie Jane Duff; Senior Analyst for Strategy at the Center for Security Policy J. Michael Waller; Ashli Babbitt’s mom Micki Witthoeft; Babbitt’s husband, Aaron; Jan. 6 detainee Kenneth Harrelson’s wife, Angel; former detainee Chris Worrell’s fiancée, Trish Priller; and business owner Roberto Minuta.
I am sure these speakers will fill you ears with a recurring theme you all ready believe. … Nothing happened. What you saw was a peaceful protest being twisted by liberals to discredit Republicans and peaceful protesters
And presented no threat to American Democracy then or in the future
But this guest is my favorite. Ashli Babbitt’s mom. She’s upset that Pelosi, Feinstein won’t speak to her about her daughter death but Trump has , Of course he has! Our POTUS supporting someone who attacked the capital in his name. Lol
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01-05-2022, 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
Seeing Trump bailed on his Jan 6th event no worries for our resident jan6 th minimizers. They Can tune in to
Newsmax to Air 'Day of Outrage' for Jan. 6 Anniversary. Day of Outrage” was produced by Newsmax to accurately and fairly detail the events related to the Capitol siege of Jan. 6.
With the following guests
The program includes exclusive interviews with Greg Kelly, who is the host of "Greg Kelly Reports"; Sebastian Gorka, former strategist to President Donald Trump; Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga.; Rep. Louie Gohmert, R-Texas; retired Marine Gunnery Sgt. Jessie Jane Duff; Senior Analyst for Strategy at the Center for Security Policy J. Michael Waller; Ashli Babbitt’s mom Micki Witthoeft; Babbitt’s husband, Aaron; Jan. 6 detainee Kenneth Harrelson’s wife, Angel; former detainee Chris Worrell’s fiancée, Trish Priller; and business owner Roberto Minuta.
I am sure these speakers will fill you ears with a recurring theme you all ready believe. … Nothing happened. What you saw was a peaceful protest being twisted by liberals to discredit Republicans and peaceful protesters
And presented no threat to American Democracy then or in the future
But this guest is my favorite. Ashli Babbitt’s mom. She’s upset that Pelosi, Feinstein won’t speak to her about her daughter death but Trump has , Of course he has! Our POTUS supporting someone who attacked the capital in his name. Lol
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Ashley Babbit was unarmed, and killed for the crime of trespassing, by a cop with a documented history of being stupidly reckless with his firearm.
she was a white trumper, killed by a black cop, which is exactly why the left ignores her death. if she was a black gang banger killed by a white cop in a questionable shooting then the left would care. there’d be riots, speeches by al sharpton, etc.
it’s all politics. the left is making january 6 out to be more than it was, the right wa td to pretend it never happened.
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01-05-2022, 09:45 AM
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Ashley Babbit was unarmed, and killed for the crime of trespassing, by a cop with a documented history of being stupidly reckless with his firearm.
This is totally out of context thinking, IMHO. She was at the very front of the force about to breach the chamber... I am more surprised by the restraint shown by all others who were defending the Capital and were armed... I would have been firing before the force reached the top of the stairs.
And there is more to the Ashley Babbit story than her just being the victim here. She used her vehicle to ram the vehicle of the woman who was in a six year relationship with the man she was sleeping with. So given her record, I am sure she could easily slip into presenting as a threatening member of the attacking force. Good shoot IMO. She put herself there...
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“Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms.” – James Madison.
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01-05-2022, 09:57 AM
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Ashley Babbit was unarmed, and killed for the crime of trespassing, by a cop with a documented history of being stupidly reckless with his firearm.
This is totally out of context thinking, IMHO. She was at the very front of the force about to breach the chamber... I am more surprised by the restraint shown by all others who were defending the Capital and were armed... I would have been firing before the force reached the top of the stairs.
And there is more to the Ashley Babbit story than her just being the victim here. She used her vehicle to ram the vehicle of the woman who was in a six year relationship with the man she was sleeping with. So given her record, I am sure she could easily slip into presenting as a threatening member of the attacking force. Good shoot IMO. She put herself there...
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and whose life was in immediate danger if she breached the chamber? could she have launched nukes from there?
“i would have been firing”
yeah yeah yeah.
officer kim potter is facing 15 years for an honest mistake in a deadly situation created by a criminal. . but this cop is a hero.
makes all kinds of sense.
was stupid for her to break
in, so so stupid.
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01-05-2022, 10:37 AM
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and whose life was in immediate danger if she breached the chamber?
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you know that if she was protesting/rioting for a leftist cause these guys would be losing their minds over her senseless murder and condemning the police
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01-07-2022, 10:31 AM
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officer kim potter is facing 15 years for an honest mistake in a deadly situation created by a criminal
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So her intent should be taken into account as it was an honest mistake (I agree it was a mistake) and her intent was not to shoot the kid. So intent matters (which I agree with).
But somehow it doesn't matter when 7 electors didn't vote for whom they were supposed to vote for bc intent doesn't matter in this instance. Got it.
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01-05-2022, 10:25 AM
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Ashley Babbit was unarmed, and killed for the crime of trespassing, by a cop with a documented history of being stupidly reckless with his firearm.
This is totally out of context thinking, IMHO. She was at the very front of the force about to breach the chamber... I am more surprised by the restraint shown by all others who were defending the Capital and were armed... I would have been firing before the force reached the top of the stairs.
And there is more to the Ashley Babbit story than her just being the victim here. She used her vehicle to ram the vehicle of the woman who was in a six year relationship with the man she was sleeping with. So given her record, I am sure she could easily slip into presenting as a threatening member of the attacking force. Good shoot IMO. She put herself there...
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I too am amazed at the restraint of the officers that day. She was a crazy woman.
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01-05-2022, 10:35 AM
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I too am amazed at the restraint of the officers that day. She was a crazy woman.
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I guess in future at "mostly peaceful protests" and riots it will be ok if the police bust out the live rounds and take down any un-armed protesters that get out of hand and start damaging stuff.....
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01-05-2022, 10:26 AM
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Ashley Babbit was unarmed,
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would you say this "force" was more like Delta Force or Space Force?
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01-05-2022, 11:28 AM
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would you say this "force" was more like Delta Force or Space Force?
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You're a dope....and a gaslighter. The force that overran the Capitol Police, whose job it is to protect and defend the Capitol and members of Congress.
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01-05-2022, 11:36 AM
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.. I would have been firing before the force reached the top of the stairs.
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how many do you think you could take out?
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01-29-2022, 11:38 PM
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Ashley Babbit was unarmed, and killed for the crime of trespassing, by a cop with a documented history of being stupidly reckless with his firearm.
This is totally out of context thinking, IMHO. She was at the very front of the force about to breach the chamber... I am more surprised by the restraint shown by all others who were defending the Capital and were armed... I would have been firing before the force reached the top of the stairs.
And there is more to the Ashley Babbit story than her just being the victim here. She used her vehicle to ram the vehicle of the woman who was in a six year relationship with the man she was sleeping with. So given her record, I am sure she could easily slip into presenting as a threatening member of the attacking force. Good shoot IMO. She put herself there...
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Sometimes things are not what they appear to be . . . and there is evidence that Ashley Babbit was not the villain you think she was. Maybe she was not a threatening member of the attacking force. Could be that she wanted to stop any "attack." And did not deserve to be shot:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/ashli-...wCZ7F6fdBUPMTd
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01-30-2022, 06:10 AM
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Sometimes things are not what they appear to be . . . and there is evidence that Ashley Babbit was not the villain you think she was. Maybe she was not a threatening member of the attacking force. Could be that she wanted to stop any "attack." And did not deserve to be shot:
https://www.theepochtimes.com/ashli-...wCZ7F6fdBUPMTd
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Originally Posted by nightfighter View Post
I am more surprised by the restraint shown by all others who were defending the Capital and were armed... I would have been firing before the force reached the top of the stairs.
^^^ this actually sounds like something a crazy militia member might fantasize about....he must have missed all of the restraint by armed police officers during the 574 riots during the summer of love
we've had some here criticize police for discharging their guns when they had guns, tasers, knives, vehicles pointed at them....what was Ashley pointing at this officer that threatened him?
If this had been the Federal Courthouse in Portland and protesters had broken a window and were climbing through and a cop shot an unarmed woman climbing through the window and killed her...do you think it might have been portrayed a bit differently by the usual suspects ?
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01-05-2022, 05:58 PM
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Ashley Babbit was unarmed, and killed for the crime of trespassing, by a cop with a documented history of being stupidly reckless with his firearm.
she was a white trumper, killed by a black cop, which is exactly why the left ignores her death. if she was a black gang banger killed by a white cop in a questionable shooting then the left would care. there’d be riots, speeches by al sharpton, etc.
it’s all politics. the left is making january 6 out to be more than it was, the right wa td to pretend it never happened.
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It’s just politics sure that’s all it is
Rep. Greene to Newsmax: Dems Trying to 'Brainwash the Public' About Jan. 6
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01-05-2022, 03:14 PM
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“What about all the BLM riots?”
What about them?
There have been thousands of protestors prosecuted for breaking the law.
Stop pretending you don’t understand the difference between burning down Target and attacking our nation’s capitol during the election certification.
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01-06-2022, 07:30 AM
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Stop pretending you don’t understand the difference between burning down Target and.....
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oh....was that all that happened?
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01-05-2022, 06:19 PM
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Love the defense of Babbit and how the Jan6th rioters was as Pence said just a day in January
So let’s ignore any thing Trump ever said before during or after Jan6th , let’s ignore all his inner circle who are suing the Jan6th commission so their involvement isn’t exposed , let’s ignore that Trump is claiming executive privilege when he has none and files bogus lawsuits, then let’s try to compare attacks on a federal building in Seattle to the events of. Jan6th. An attempt to disrupt the certification of the election and trumps big lie which his cult still thinks happened. There is no middle road on this topic you can’t pick the things you like about Trump and ignore everything else. It’s this basic ! you support Trump you supports seditious Trump the and his supporters in their entirety .. No verbal gymnastics can change that.
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01-05-2022, 06:25 PM
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Love the defense of Babbit and how the Jan6th rioters was as Pence said just a day in January
So let’s ignore any thing Trump ever said before during or after Jan6th , let’s ignore all his inner circle who are suing the Jan6th commission so their involvement isn’t exposed , let’s ignore that Trump is claiming executive privilege when he has none and files bogus lawsuits, then let’s try to compare attacks on a federal building in Seattle to the events of. Jan6th. An attempt to disrupt the certification of the election and trumps big lie which his cult still thinks happened. There is no middle road on this topic you can’t pick the things you like about Trump and ignore everything else. It’s this basic ! you support Trump you supports seditious Trump the and his supporters in their entirety .. No verbal gymnastics can change that.
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It’s pretty simple, Jim is being brainwashed to accept authoritarian rule.
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01-05-2022, 08:45 PM
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It’s pretty simple, Jim is being brainwashed to accept authoritarian rule.
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brainwashed, yet i can immediately disagree with conservatives on big issues. you agree with liberals in every single issue, and never side against liberals ever.
that’s not brainwashed?
yes like most conservatives, i’m very pro authoritarian.
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01-05-2022, 09:22 PM
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yes like most conservatives, i’m very pro authoritarian.
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Hmm... just connecting the dots.
au·thor·i·tar·i·an
adjective
favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.
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autocratic dictatorial totalitarian despotic tyrannical
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01-05-2022, 09:35 PM
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Hmm... just connecting the dots.
au·thor·i·tar·i·an
adjective
favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.
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Jim is just confused. He says it was a bad thing but plays into every right wing trope on how it wasn’t that big of a deal just to try and impress Scott.
This is why social media sucks.
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01-06-2022, 05:23 AM
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Hmm... just connecting the dots.
au·thor·i·tar·i·an
adjective
favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.
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autocratic dictatorial totalitarian despotic tyrannical
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just looking around the room here....who would be most likely to embrace the authoritarian role?...let's go top 3...who would enjoy most, the ability to control and direct the lives of others in an authoritarian way through government because they think they are the most informed and consider themselves the smartest and best equipped morally and ethically to do so....I'll give you a little time
ps. this doesn't sound authoritarian....."Vice President Kamala Harris said during her CBS interview Sunday that 'democracy' is the most significant national security threat facing the United States. "
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01-06-2022, 06:51 AM
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Jan 6th, a stupid bumbling of idiots, inspired by an idiot, reflecting the previous year of idiots and idiotic violence, that somehow became the greatest threat to Democracy since The Civil War.
We're screwed.
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