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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

Ashley Babbit was unarmed, and killed for the crime of trespassing, by a cop with a documented history of being stupidly reckless with his firearm.

This is totally out of context thinking, IMHO. She was at the very front of the force about to breach the chamber... I am more surprised by the restraint shown by all others who were defending the Capital and were armed... I would have been firing before the force reached the top of the stairs.
And there is more to the Ashley Babbit story than her just being the victim here. She used her vehicle to ram the vehicle of the woman who was in a six year relationship with the man she was sleeping with. So given her record, I am sure she could easily slip into presenting as a threatening member of the attacking force. Good shoot IMO. She put herself there...

I too am amazed at the restraint of the officers that day. She was a crazy woman.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I too am amazed at the restraint of the officers that day. She was a crazy woman.

I guess in future at "mostly peaceful protests" and riots it will be ok if the police bust out the live rounds and take down any un-armed protesters that get out of hand and start damaging stuff.....

[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by scottw

I guess in future at "mostly peaceful protests" and riots it will be ok if the police bust out the live rounds and take down any un-armed protesters that get out of hand and start damaging stuff.....

You are better than this, aren't you?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

You are better than this, aren't you?

I saw some...actually... a lot ....of very violent attacks on police and military members the summer prior and they didn't fire any bullets

this was an unarmed woman, and maybe she was mentally unstable, but I thought that was a reason not to shoot someone, particularly if they are unarmed

I'm not defending her, I believe what happened to her was the result of bad decisions she made that day just as many police shootings are the result of bad decisions made by those that get themselves shot...it's just amazing to see the response of some to her killing....

[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by scottw

I saw some...actually... a lot ....of very violent attacks on police and military members the summer prior and they didn't fire any bullets

this was an unarmed woman, and maybe she was mentally unstable, but I thought that was a reason not to shoot someone, particularly if they are unarmed

I'm not defending her, I believe what happened to her was the result of bad decisions she made that day just as many police shootings are the result of bad decisions made by those that get themselves shot...it's just amazing to see the response of some to her killing....

I just find it interesting how you are backing away, or quantifying
a statement made by Jim, that I took issue with...
She put herself in the line of fire. How many thousands of miles did she travel from her home? Her right to peaceful protest ended when she, as a member of the group, proceeded past police barriers, up the step, and breached the Capitol. She put herself there. What is so amazing about my response??? She asked for it.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

I just find it interesting how you are backing away,



She asked for it.

from what?

"I'm not defending her, I believe what happened to her was the result of bad decisions she made that day just as many police shootings are the result of bad decisions made by those that get themselves shot...it's just amazing to see the response of some to her killing...."

I wouldn't say she asked for it, she certainly put herself in harms way...she was the only one shot that day...no question as to why only one officer fired a bullet that day despite all of the violence apparently going on particularly as you've said you'd have just opened fire?


you also dragged out the story about a car incident as if that's relevant? Ted Kennedy had a little car incident and still ran for president afterward

[nightfighter]

The officer did not have the benefit of her past history when he had to make his decision to pull the trigger.

I did have Ted's past history when I chose not to vote for him.

Connecting those two is a stretch... Only common denominator I can see is that we have the benefit of 20/20 vision when looking at their personal histories... and that both are dead.

[nightfighter]

This is worth watching. Frontline Season 2021 episode 7 American insurrection.


https://www.pbs.org/video/american-insurrection-ozor8y/

While I clearly saw the bias from the get-go, I feel it connects the dots enough to assign blame for the abject results of Jan 6. The justification of violence by these militias and far right factions are painting some of you in this discussion with the same broad stoke.