Trump

[wdmso]

Love the defense of Babbit and how the Jan6th rioters was as Pence said just a day in January

So let’s ignore any thing Trump ever said before during or after Jan6th , let’s ignore all his inner circle who are suing the Jan6th commission so their involvement isn’t exposed , let’s ignore that Trump is claiming executive privilege when he has none and files bogus lawsuits, then let’s try to compare attacks on a federal building in Seattle to the events of. Jan6th. An attempt to disrupt the certification of the election and trumps big lie which his cult still thinks happened. There is no middle road on this topic you can’t pick the things you like about Trump and ignore everything else. It’s this basic ! you support Trump you supports seditious Trump the and his supporters in their entirety .. No verbal gymnastics can change that.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Love the defense of Babbit and how the Jan6th rioters was as Pence said just a day in January

So let’s ignore any thing Trump ever said before during or after Jan6th , let’s ignore all his inner circle who are suing the Jan6th commission so their involvement isn’t exposed , let’s ignore that Trump is claiming executive privilege when he has none and files bogus lawsuits, then let’s try to compare attacks on a federal building in Seattle to the events of. Jan6th. An attempt to disrupt the certification of the election and trumps big lie which his cult still thinks happened. There is no middle road on this topic you can’t pick the things you like about Trump and ignore everything else. It’s this basic ! you support Trump you supports seditious Trump the and his supporters in their entirety .. No verbal gymnastics can change that.
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It’s pretty simple, Jim is being brainwashed to accept authoritarian rule.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

It’s pretty simple, Jim is being brainwashed to accept authoritarian rule.

brainwashed, yet i can immediately disagree with conservatives on big issues. you agree with liberals in every single issue, and never side against liberals ever.

that’s not brainwashed?

yes like most conservatives, i’m very pro authoritarian.
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[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

yes like most conservatives, i’m very pro authoritarian.
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Hmm... just connecting the dots.

au·thor·i·tar·i·an

adjective
favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.

Similar:
autocratic dictatorial totalitarian despotic tyrannical

[spence]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

Hmm... just connecting the dots.

au·thor·i·tar·i·an

adjective
favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.

Similar:
autocratic dictatorial totalitarian despotic tyrannical

Jim is just confused. He says it was a bad thing but plays into every right wing trope on how it wasn’t that big of a deal just to try and impress Scott.

This is why social media sucks.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Jim is just confused. He says it was a bad thing but plays into every right wing trope on how it wasn’t that big of a deal just to try and impress Scott.

This is why social media sucks.

i ask on what basis one would conclude january 6 was worse than the BlM riots. GS hides, you lob insults. It’s what simpletons do when they’ve lost, but they’re too small to admit it.

Scott and i have disagreed on some big issues here. have you ever once, even one time, disagreed with pete or wayne or paul? one time?

nope.

every single person here, knows exactly what you’re going to say before you say it, on every single solitary issue. that’s not a great thing. what’s the difference between you and sean hannity? nothing. you’re his exact mirror image, exactly as thoughtless, predictable, parrot-like, and boring.

no authoritarian, would let the media treat him, the way they treated trump. he didn’t like it, and handled it like a baby, but he didn’t shut them down like any authoritarian would.

meanwhile biden’s authoritarian mandates are getting struck
down everywhere. as his refusal
to let military claim religious exemptions. i didn’t know the bill
of rights specifies that it doesn’t apply to the military.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

meanwhile biden’s authoritarian mandates are getting struck
down everywhere.

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democrat mandates and democrat authoritarians are good because they are good for you and come from experts with 99.9% consensus or something....


trump isn't president and we know who the authoritarians are

[scottw]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

Hmm... just connecting the dots.

au·thor·i·tar·i·an

adjective
favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.

Similar:
autocratic dictatorial totalitarian despotic tyrannical

just looking around the room here....who would be most likely to embrace the authoritarian role?...let's go top 3...who would enjoy most, the ability to control and direct the lives of others in an authoritarian way through government because they think they are the most informed and consider themselves the smartest and best equipped morally and ethically to do so....I'll give you a little time

ps. this doesn't sound authoritarian....."Vice President Kamala Harris said during her CBS interview Sunday that 'democracy' is the most significant national security threat facing the United States. "

[JohnR]

Jan 6th, a stupid bumbling of idiots, inspired by an idiot, reflecting the previous year of idiots and idiotic violence, that somehow became the greatest threat to Democracy since The Civil War.

We're screwed.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Jan 6th, a stupid bumbling of idiots, inspired by an idiot, reflecting the previous year of idiots and idiotic violence, that somehow became the greatest threat to Democracy since The Civil War.

We're screwed.

Again…..


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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Jan 6th, a stupid bumbling of idiots, inspired by an idiot, reflecting the previous year of idiots and idiotic violence, that somehow became the greatest threat to Democracy since The Civil War.

We're screwed.

John are you suggesting what happened and still happening isn’t a threat to democracy? Or do you just disagree with the civil war as the example?

At least 163 Republicans who have embraced Trump’s false claims are running for statewide positions that would give them authority over the administration of elections

Trump has spent much of his post-presidency marinating in false voting claims and electoral conspiracy theories. He has pushed Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, and other Republican officials to claim on television that the election was stolen

The RNC is launching a range of new initiatives related to elections, including plans for filing lawsuits in states, hiring more elections-related officials and recruiting more volunteers,

58 percent of Republicans think Biden’s election was not legitimate, and 62 percent think there is solid evidence of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election.

Some falsely claimed leftist “antifa” protesters were behind the violence. Others falsely argued there was very little violence on Jan. 6 or, as Rep. Andrew S. Clyde (R-Ga.) claimed, the riot was simply “a normal tourist visit.” And some Republicans rebranded those arrested in the aftermath of the insurrection as “political prisoners.”

Trump and his supporters have also sought to make a martyr of Ashli Babbitt,

On and on and on
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

The RNC is launching a range of new initiatives related to elections, including plans for filing lawsuits in states, hiring more elections-related officials and recruiting more volunteers,

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oh my god, the RNC is recruiting volunteers!!!! the world is coming to an end!

i wouldn’t say Babbitt is a martyr. but i’d say she was a tiny unarmed woman who was shot to death by a cop with no warning, when she posed to possible imminent lethal threat to anyone.

a better question is, why doesn’t anyone on the left care about that?

the left spent a great deal
of energy in 2020 speaking out against improper use of
lethal force by police, but no one one the left wants to talk at all about what happened to Babbitt.

reason? politics. the left only cares about police killing when it helps them politically.

but back to the RNC refuting volunteers, i mean it’s time to sell
my stocks and build that underground bomb shelter in my yard.

again you complain when republicans make false claims of election fraud, but could care less when democrats do it.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

John are you suggesting what happened and still happening isn’t a threat to democracy?

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kamala said democracy is a threat to our democacy...and we are a republic by the way

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Jan 6th, a stupid bumbling of idiots, inspired by an idiot, reflecting the previous year of idiots and idiotic violence, that somehow became the greatest threat to Democracy since The Civil War.

We're screwed.

Well isn't that the R party today? A bunch of idiots where over 50% believe the election was stolen and a vaccine will make you sterile. Where states want to be able to overrule the will of the people and put into power whomever they want.

Seems to me we're screwed.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Well isn't that the R party today? A bunch of idiots where over 50% believe the election was stolen and a vaccine will make you sterile. Where states want to be able to overrule the will of the people and put into power whomever they want.

Seems to me we're screwed.

if republicans are so idiotic, why are so many people leaving blue states and moving to red states?

the dnc uses superdelegates in their primaries. literally, the only reason they do this, is to be able to overrule the will of the people ( their people) so that the kingmakers can put whoever they want into power.

i’m not disagreeing with your observations of awful
behavior on the right. but you constantly willfully ignore it on the left. very convenient for you

when you ignore everything smart then right does, and you ignore everything stupid the left does, it makes a comparison pretty stark. but i’m not sure it’s an accurate comparison.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Well isn't that the R party today? A bunch of idiots

Seems to me we're screwed.

this sounds authoritarian

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Seems to me we're screwed.

Venezuela is accepting applications...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Seems to me we're screwed.

yet after 4 years of trump ( maybe the biggest jerk to ever be POTUS), a record 58% of americans said they were better off after 4 years of trump, than they were before. and that was during the pandemic.

a record number of americans liked his policies. gallup does that poll every 4 years, and no president ever, had more americans say they were better off than 4 years ago.

what’s impressive about that, is that things were pretty good at the end of obama’s second term, it’s not like trump inherited a great depression, where anyone could make improvements. yet a record number of americans said trump made things better, even though he inherited a good starting place.

Trump is an in obnoxious, vindictive, world class narcissist. But the fact is, Americans liked his policies. They didn’t like him personally, but they liked his policies.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Jan 6th, a stupid bumbling of idiots, inspired by an idiot, reflecting the previous year of idiots and idiotic violence, that somehow became the greatest threat to Democracy since The Civil War.

We're screwed.

Collapse of Weimar in Germany. Rise of Mussolini in Italy. Stalin's post-Lenin purges. Read a little history on how dictatorships rise. The common thread in every story? Under-reaction from the rest of civil society during the phase when they had the power to stop it.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The common thread in every story? Under-reaction from the rest of civil society during the phase when they had the power to stop it.
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I’m not sure where you get your news from, but Trumps attempt to
undermine the 2020 election, was in fact stopped. Biden is president.

We under reacted to
january 6th? Should we send all
the trespassers to Guantanamo
Bay?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Collapse of Weimar in Germany. Rise of Mussolini in Italy. Stalin's post-Lenin purges. Read a little history on how dictatorships rise.

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it was more like this without the swords

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

Hmm... just connecting the dots.

au·thor·i·tar·i·an

adjective
favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.

Similar:
autocratic dictatorial totalitarian despotic tyrannical

so, does forcing people
to inject medicine they don’t wish to take, qualify as “forcing obedience to authority at expense to personal
freedom?”

how about telling military they can’t qualify for religious exemptions, which was struck down as unconstitutional by a federal judge?

trump trying toni return an election he didn’t win, obviously qualifies as dictatorial. but i don’t know that trump’s policies stripped
us of a lot of freedoms. he eliminated a lot of federal regulations. and no dictator wirthnhis salt, would
allow cnn and msnbc to attack him 24/7.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

so, does forcing people
to inject medicine they don’t wish to take, qualify as “forcing obedience to authority at expense to personal
freedom?”


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if you get vaccinated and want/demand mandated vaccines for everyone else..or else.. you are not an authoritarian...

if you get vaccinated but don't support mandates for others... you are an authoritarian and anti-vaxxer

if you don't want to be vaccinated yourself and don't support mandates for others...you are an authoritarian and anti-vaxxer

if you think schools should stick to reading, writing and arithmetic and stop trying to play social engineers/activist trainers with other peoples kids.....you are an authoritarian and probably a domestic terrorist

if you think schools need to perform all of the parenting duties that the social engineers/activists believe need to be performed because parents are too stupid and incompetent to provide these thing for their own children...you are not an authoritarian

follow the logic

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

if you get vaccinated and want/demand mandated vaccines for everyone else..or else.. you are not an authoritarian...

if you get vaccinated but don't support mandates for others... you are an authoritarian and anti-vaxxer

if you don't want to be vaccinated yourself and don't support mandates for others...you are an authoritarian and anti-vaxxer

if you think schools should stick to reading, writing and arithmetic and stop trying to play social engineers/activist trainers with other peoples kids.....you are an authoritarian and probably a domestic terrorist

if you think schools need to perform all of the parenting duties that the social engineers believe need to be performed because parents are too stupid and incompetent to provide these thing for their own children...you are not an authoritarian

follow the logic

here’s the logic.

liberal=good, conservative=bad. no exceptions, not once, not ever. because life is exactly that simple.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso;1220125

So let’s ignore any thing Trump ever said ,

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Democraps should be very grateful that MAGA Force tried to capture the flag because it’s the only distraction they can currently muster to deflect from the disaster that is Biden and his administration
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