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[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

yes like most conservatives, i’m very pro authoritarian.
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Hmm... just connecting the dots.

au·thor·i·tar·i·an

adjective
favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.

Similar:
autocratic dictatorial totalitarian despotic tyrannical

[spence]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

Hmm... just connecting the dots.

au·thor·i·tar·i·an

adjective
favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.

Similar:
autocratic dictatorial totalitarian despotic tyrannical

Jim is just confused. He says it was a bad thing but plays into every right wing trope on how it wasn’t that big of a deal just to try and impress Scott.

This is why social media sucks.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Jim is just confused. He says it was a bad thing but plays into every right wing trope on how it wasn’t that big of a deal just to try and impress Scott.

This is why social media sucks.

i ask on what basis one would conclude january 6 was worse than the BlM riots. GS hides, you lob insults. It’s what simpletons do when they’ve lost, but they’re too small to admit it.

Scott and i have disagreed on some big issues here. have you ever once, even one time, disagreed with pete or wayne or paul? one time?

nope.

every single person here, knows exactly what you’re going to say before you say it, on every single solitary issue. that’s not a great thing. what’s the difference between you and sean hannity? nothing. you’re his exact mirror image, exactly as thoughtless, predictable, parrot-like, and boring.

no authoritarian, would let the media treat him, the way they treated trump. he didn’t like it, and handled it like a baby, but he didn’t shut them down like any authoritarian would.

meanwhile biden’s authoritarian mandates are getting struck
down everywhere. as his refusal
to let military claim religious exemptions. i didn’t know the bill
of rights specifies that it doesn’t apply to the military.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

meanwhile biden’s authoritarian mandates are getting struck
down everywhere.

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democrat mandates and democrat authoritarians are good because they are good for you and come from experts with 99.9% consensus or something....


trump isn't president and we know who the authoritarians are

[scottw]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

Hmm... just connecting the dots.

au·thor·i·tar·i·an

adjective
favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.

Similar:
autocratic dictatorial totalitarian despotic tyrannical

just looking around the room here....who would be most likely to embrace the authoritarian role?...let's go top 3...who would enjoy most, the ability to control and direct the lives of others in an authoritarian way through government because they think they are the most informed and consider themselves the smartest and best equipped morally and ethically to do so....I'll give you a little time

ps. this doesn't sound authoritarian....."Vice President Kamala Harris said during her CBS interview Sunday that 'democracy' is the most significant national security threat facing the United States. "

[JohnR]

Jan 6th, a stupid bumbling of idiots, inspired by an idiot, reflecting the previous year of idiots and idiotic violence, that somehow became the greatest threat to Democracy since The Civil War.

We're screwed.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Jan 6th, a stupid bumbling of idiots, inspired by an idiot, reflecting the previous year of idiots and idiotic violence, that somehow became the greatest threat to Democracy since The Civil War.

We're screwed.

Again…..


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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Jan 6th, a stupid bumbling of idiots, inspired by an idiot, reflecting the previous year of idiots and idiotic violence, that somehow became the greatest threat to Democracy since The Civil War.

We're screwed.

John are you suggesting what happened and still happening isn’t a threat to democracy? Or do you just disagree with the civil war as the example?

At least 163 Republicans who have embraced Trump’s false claims are running for statewide positions that would give them authority over the administration of elections

Trump has spent much of his post-presidency marinating in false voting claims and electoral conspiracy theories. He has pushed Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the Republican National Committee, and other Republican officials to claim on television that the election was stolen

The RNC is launching a range of new initiatives related to elections, including plans for filing lawsuits in states, hiring more elections-related officials and recruiting more volunteers,

58 percent of Republicans think Biden’s election was not legitimate, and 62 percent think there is solid evidence of widespread voter fraud in the 2020 election.

Some falsely claimed leftist “antifa” protesters were behind the violence. Others falsely argued there was very little violence on Jan. 6 or, as Rep. Andrew S. Clyde (R-Ga.) claimed, the riot was simply “a normal tourist visit.” And some Republicans rebranded those arrested in the aftermath of the insurrection as “political prisoners.”

Trump and his supporters have also sought to make a martyr of Ashli Babbitt,

On and on and on
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

The RNC is launching a range of new initiatives related to elections, including plans for filing lawsuits in states, hiring more elections-related officials and recruiting more volunteers,

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oh my god, the RNC is recruiting volunteers!!!! the world is coming to an end!

i wouldn’t say Babbitt is a martyr. but i’d say she was a tiny unarmed woman who was shot to death by a cop with no warning, when she posed to possible imminent lethal threat to anyone.

a better question is, why doesn’t anyone on the left care about that?

the left spent a great deal
of energy in 2020 speaking out against improper use of
lethal force by police, but no one one the left wants to talk at all about what happened to Babbitt.

reason? politics. the left only cares about police killing when it helps them politically.

but back to the RNC refuting volunteers, i mean it’s time to sell
my stocks and build that underground bomb shelter in my yard.

again you complain when republicans make false claims of election fraud, but could care less when democrats do it.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

John are you suggesting what happened and still happening isn’t a threat to democracy?

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kamala said democracy is a threat to our democacy...and we are a republic by the way

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Jan 6th, a stupid bumbling of idiots, inspired by an idiot, reflecting the previous year of idiots and idiotic violence, that somehow became the greatest threat to Democracy since The Civil War.

We're screwed.

Well isn't that the R party today? A bunch of idiots where over 50% believe the election was stolen and a vaccine will make you sterile. Where states want to be able to overrule the will of the people and put into power whomever they want.

Seems to me we're screwed.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Well isn't that the R party today? A bunch of idiots where over 50% believe the election was stolen and a vaccine will make you sterile. Where states want to be able to overrule the will of the people and put into power whomever they want.

Seems to me we're screwed.

if republicans are so idiotic, why are so many people leaving blue states and moving to red states?

the dnc uses superdelegates in their primaries. literally, the only reason they do this, is to be able to overrule the will of the people ( their people) so that the kingmakers can put whoever they want into power.

i’m not disagreeing with your observations of awful
behavior on the right. but you constantly willfully ignore it on the left. very convenient for you

when you ignore everything smart then right does, and you ignore everything stupid the left does, it makes a comparison pretty stark. but i’m not sure it’s an accurate comparison.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

if republicans are so idiotic, why are so many people leaving blue states and moving to red states? retirement ie warm weather. Population is getting older.

the dnc uses superdelegates in their primaries. literally, the only reason they do this, is to be able to overrule the will of the people ( their people) so that the kingmakers can put whoever they want into power.

i’m not disagreeing with your observations of awful
behavior on the right. but you constantly willfully ignore it on the left. very convenient for you

when you ignore everything smart then right does, and you ignore everything stupid the left does, it makes a comparison pretty stark. but i’m not sure it’s an accurate comparison.
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But the bad behavior on the left doesn't compare to the bad behaviour on the right. So when almost all elected Rs refuse to vote to certify a Pres, (or acknowledge the Pres. won) comparing it to a few Ds who do the same is silly.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

But the bad behavior on the left doesn't compare to the bad behaviour on the right. So when almost all elected Rs refuse to vote to certify a Pres, (or acknowledge the Pres. won) comparing it to a few Ds who do the same is silly.

“retirement warm weather”.

(1) it’s not just retirees who are moving.

(2) are you saying there aren’t any blue states, where it’s warm? California has no sections with warm winters?

You really drank the kool aid paul.

“the bad behavior in the left doesn’t compare to the bad behavior in the right.”

Summer 2020 riots, dozens killed by rioters.

January 6 : zero people
killed by rioters

i agree, there’s not much comparison there.

“almost all elected Rs refuse to vote to certify an elected president”.

what are the numbers in that, exactly? how many? that bass the injection to the results in one state, PA?

the lefties here won’t even admit stacey abrams is saying her election was stolen. she said not in video, but that’s not good enough.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

“retirement warm weather”.

(1) it’s not just retirees who are moving.

(2) are you saying there aren’t any blue states, where it’s warm? California has no sections with warm winters?

You really drank the kool aid paul. You're the Kool aid drinker who thinks people are only moving bc of politics and you say it here constantly. There are many reasons for people moving to Fl. but the primary one is the warm weather.

“the bad behavior in the left doesn’t compare to the bad behavior in the right.”

Summer 2020 riots, dozens killed by rioters.

January 6 : zero people
killed by rioters

i agree, there’s not much comparison there. Are you saying that the protesters were all Ds? (I know that you love to use the word riots), There were many, many millions of peaceful protestors last summer and I bet the % of people causing trouble was less than the % on 1/6.
Since you are assuming they are all on the left I guess that shows how many on the right care about social justice - NONE.

“almost all elected Rs refuse to vote to certify an elected president”.

what are the numbers in that, exactly? Go back to one year ago and see how many R refused to do just that.
And now many Rs still refuse to admit Biden won.how many? that bass the injection to the results in one state, PA?

the lefties here won’t even admit stacey abrams is saying her election was stolen. she said not in video, but that’s not good enough.
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She was talking about the people who were purged from voting roles - not the vote on election day. But you knew that bc you have been told that repeatedly. So that is one compared to what 70% of the R party?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

But the bad behavior on the left doesn't compare to the bad behaviour on the right.

good grief......

[wdmso]

hilarious jim defend Jan 6th with why people are moving to reds states AGAIN

Officials in Arizona’s Maricopa County are using the anniversary of the Jan. 6 insurrection to once again push back on claims of election fraud there that many Republicans believe helped Joe Biden win the 2020 presidential race.

"We're done. This is the end of the 2020 election. We have addressed the issues; we have debunked them,” said Bill Gates, the chairman of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors.

omg say it ain't so the damn RINOS are everywhere

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Well isn't that the R party today? A bunch of idiots

Seems to me we're screwed.

this sounds authoritarian

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Seems to me we're screwed.

Venezuela is accepting applications...

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

Venezuela is accepting applications...

That sounds like what a snarky troll would say.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

That sounds like what a snarky troll would say.

as opposed to saying republicans are a bunch of idiots. no snark there.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Seems to me we're screwed.

yet after 4 years of trump ( maybe the biggest jerk to ever be POTUS), a record 58% of americans said they were better off after 4 years of trump, than they were before. and that was during the pandemic.

a record number of americans liked his policies. gallup does that poll every 4 years, and no president ever, had more americans say they were better off than 4 years ago.

what’s impressive about that, is that things were pretty good at the end of obama’s second term, it’s not like trump inherited a great depression, where anyone could make improvements. yet a record number of americans said trump made things better, even though he inherited a good starting place.

Trump is an in obnoxious, vindictive, world class narcissist. But the fact is, Americans liked his policies. They didn’t like him personally, but they liked his policies.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Jan 6th, a stupid bumbling of idiots, inspired by an idiot, reflecting the previous year of idiots and idiotic violence, that somehow became the greatest threat to Democracy since The Civil War.

We're screwed.

Collapse of Weimar in Germany. Rise of Mussolini in Italy. Stalin's post-Lenin purges. Read a little history on how dictatorships rise. The common thread in every story? Under-reaction from the rest of civil society during the phase when they had the power to stop it.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The common thread in every story? Under-reaction from the rest of civil society during the phase when they had the power to stop it.
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I’m not sure where you get your news from, but Trumps attempt to
undermine the 2020 election, was in fact stopped. Biden is president.

We under reacted to
january 6th? Should we send all
the trespassers to Guantanamo
Bay?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I’m not sure where you get your news from, but Trumps attempt to
undermine the 2020 election, was in fact stopped. Biden is president.

We under reacted to
january 6th? Should we send all
the trespassers to Guantanamo
Bay?
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One year ago, the storming of the U.S. Capitol marked a final, violent attempt to subvert a national election after earlier efforts by the former president and his allies had failed.

Those efforts principally sought to nullify states’ election results by filing dozens of lawsuits predicated on fictitious claims; coercing and possibly criminally soliciting state and local officials to commit election fraud; attempting to enlist the Justice Department in a campaign to overturn results; urging state lawmakers to “decertify” results themselves; pressuring the then-vice president to delay or block the counting of electoral votes by Congress; and petitioning the Supreme Court to delay certification in the event the vice president would not. As the Jan. 6 certification approached, the former president assessed how he might declare martial law in order to seize voting machines and “redo” the election. Then, he and allies incited a violent mob to ransack the Capitol. Threading these efforts together was the Big Lie: the former president’s Orwellian claim that others had in fact corrupted the election, and that he was its victim.

Pursuing accountability generates all sorts of risks, but avoiding accountability is riskier still. In light of the consequences otherwise, the pursuit of accountability for serious wrongdoing must be a given.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

One year ago, the storming of the U.S. Capitol marked a final, violent attempt to subvert a national election after earlier efforts by the former president and his allies had failed.

Those efforts principally sought to nullify states’ election results by filing dozens of lawsuits predicated on fictitious claims; coercing and possibly criminally soliciting state and local officials to commit election fraud; attempting to enlist the Justice Department in a campaign to overturn results; urging state lawmakers to “decertify” results themselves; pressuring the then-vice president to delay or block the counting of electoral votes by Congress; and petitioning the Supreme Court to delay certification in the event the vice president would not. As the Jan. 6 certification approached, the former president assessed how he might declare martial law in order to seize voting machines and “redo” the election. Then, he and allies incited a violent mob to ransack the Capitol. Threading these efforts together was the Big Lie: the former president’s Orwellian claim that others had in fact corrupted the election, and that he was its victim.

Pursuing accountability generates all sorts of risks, but avoiding accountability is riskier still. In light of the consequences otherwise, the pursuit of accountability for serious wrongdoing must be a given.
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are you going to spend the next four years insisting trump needs to go to jail for this now? since, despite your best efforts, you have failed for the last 5


you know he's going to run and win in 2024....it will be fun to see your reaction

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

are you going to spend the next four years insisting trump needs to go to jail for this now? since, despite your best efforts, you have failed for the last 5


you know he's going to run and win in 2024....it will be fun to see your reaction

Remember, long before he was a judge, Merrick Garland prosecuted the Oklahoma City bombing and the Atlanta Olympics bombing — and earned a rep of being silent, methodical, and deadly effective.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Pursuing accountability generates all sorts of risks, but avoiding accountability is riskier still. In light of the consequences otherwise, the pursuit of accountability for serious wrongdoing must be a given.
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Ok. SO the democrats who asked the electors in 2016 not to vote for Trump, and the democrats in Congress who voted to contest election results in a few states with zero evidence of wrongdoing (some of them are still in Congress)...where is their accountability, Pete?

If avoiding accountability is such an existential threat, how come you've never called for any of them top be accountable? What they tried to do, was undermine a free and fair election, because they didn't win. That's EXACTLY what Trump tried to do.

Just post what we all already know...you only think it's bad when Republicans do it.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Just post what we all already know...you only think it's bad when Republicans do it.

I wonder what they would be saying about the promised nationwide riots if trump had won...never mind...been there done that, we know the answer

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Ok. SO the democrats who asked the electors in 2016 not to vote for Trump, and the democrats in Congress who voted to contest election results in a few states with zero evidence of wrongdoing (some of them are still in Congress)...where is their accountability, Pete?

If avoiding accountability is such an existential threat, how come you've never called for any of them top be accountable? What they tried to do, was undermine a free and fair election, because they didn't win. That's EXACTLY what Trump tried to do.

Just post what we all already know...you only think it's bad when Republicans do it.

I think 7 House Ds objected to the 2016 election. 147 R objected to the 2020 election. There never where any D plans to decertify any states elections and flip the electorial votes like the Rs tried to do. So even an actuary should know is a difference of magnitude bt the 2 or are you trying to be dishonest by equating 2 things which are of different magnitude?