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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Jan 6th, a stupid bumbling of idiots, inspired by an idiot, reflecting the previous year of idiots and idiotic violence, that somehow became the greatest threat to Democracy since The Civil War.

We're screwed.

Well isn't that the R party today? A bunch of idiots where over 50% believe the election was stolen and a vaccine will make you sterile. Where states want to be able to overrule the will of the people and put into power whomever they want.

Seems to me we're screwed.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Well isn't that the R party today? A bunch of idiots where over 50% believe the election was stolen and a vaccine will make you sterile. Where states want to be able to overrule the will of the people and put into power whomever they want.

Seems to me we're screwed.

if republicans are so idiotic, why are so many people leaving blue states and moving to red states?

the dnc uses superdelegates in their primaries. literally, the only reason they do this, is to be able to overrule the will of the people ( their people) so that the kingmakers can put whoever they want into power.

i’m not disagreeing with your observations of awful
behavior on the right. but you constantly willfully ignore it on the left. very convenient for you

when you ignore everything smart then right does, and you ignore everything stupid the left does, it makes a comparison pretty stark. but i’m not sure it’s an accurate comparison.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

if republicans are so idiotic, why are so many people leaving blue states and moving to red states? retirement ie warm weather. Population is getting older.

the dnc uses superdelegates in their primaries. literally, the only reason they do this, is to be able to overrule the will of the people ( their people) so that the kingmakers can put whoever they want into power.

i’m not disagreeing with your observations of awful
behavior on the right. but you constantly willfully ignore it on the left. very convenient for you

when you ignore everything smart then right does, and you ignore everything stupid the left does, it makes a comparison pretty stark. but i’m not sure it’s an accurate comparison.
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But the bad behavior on the left doesn't compare to the bad behaviour on the right. So when almost all elected Rs refuse to vote to certify a Pres, (or acknowledge the Pres. won) comparing it to a few Ds who do the same is silly.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

But the bad behavior on the left doesn't compare to the bad behaviour on the right. So when almost all elected Rs refuse to vote to certify a Pres, (or acknowledge the Pres. won) comparing it to a few Ds who do the same is silly.

“retirement warm weather”.

(1) it’s not just retirees who are moving.

(2) are you saying there aren’t any blue states, where it’s warm? California has no sections with warm winters?

You really drank the kool aid paul.

“the bad behavior in the left doesn’t compare to the bad behavior in the right.”

Summer 2020 riots, dozens killed by rioters.

January 6 : zero people
killed by rioters

i agree, there’s not much comparison there.

“almost all elected Rs refuse to vote to certify an elected president”.

what are the numbers in that, exactly? how many? that bass the injection to the results in one state, PA?

the lefties here won’t even admit stacey abrams is saying her election was stolen. she said not in video, but that’s not good enough.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

“retirement warm weather”.

(1) it’s not just retirees who are moving.

(2) are you saying there aren’t any blue states, where it’s warm? California has no sections with warm winters?

You really drank the kool aid paul. You're the Kool aid drinker who thinks people are only moving bc of politics and you say it here constantly. There are many reasons for people moving to Fl. but the primary one is the warm weather.

“the bad behavior in the left doesn’t compare to the bad behavior in the right.”

Summer 2020 riots, dozens killed by rioters.

January 6 : zero people
killed by rioters

i agree, there’s not much comparison there. Are you saying that the protesters were all Ds? (I know that you love to use the word riots), There were many, many millions of peaceful protestors last summer and I bet the % of people causing trouble was less than the % on 1/6.
Since you are assuming they are all on the left I guess that shows how many on the right care about social justice - NONE.

“almost all elected Rs refuse to vote to certify an elected president”.

what are the numbers in that, exactly? Go back to one year ago and see how many R refused to do just that.
And now many Rs still refuse to admit Biden won.how many? that bass the injection to the results in one state, PA?

the lefties here won’t even admit stacey abrams is saying her election was stolen. she said not in video, but that’s not good enough.
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She was talking about the people who were purged from voting roles - not the vote on election day. But you knew that bc you have been told that repeatedly. So that is one compared to what 70% of the R party?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

She was talking about the people who were purged from voting roles - not the vote on election day. But you knew that bc you have been told that repeatedly. So that is one compared to what 70% of the R party?

"You're the Kool aid drinker who thinks people are only moving bc of politics and you say it here constantly. "

I don't think I've said that once. I think you're hearing voices. It's not just for politics. OK? It's not just for politics.

If it was just weather, why wouldn't they move to southern California? How come none of you will ever answer that simple question?

People move for many reasons. But the general trend, is moving from blue states to red states. Blue states are very, very expensive. Red states generally aren't. That's a function of politics. Liberals like big government, which is expensive.

"Are you saying that the protesters were all Ds? "

I don't know which riots you are referring to. In the summer of 2020, the rioters were almost all Ds. On January 6th, the rioters were almost all Rs. Fair enough? Anything crazy there?

"There were many, many millions of peaceful protestors last summer and I bet the % of people causing trouble was less than the % on 1/6."

That's a wild guess. What's not a guess, is that the January 6 riots resulted in many less deaths (precisely zero caused by the rioters) and in far less property damage, than the summer 2020 riots. Is that true, or is that false?

"that shows how many on the right care about social justice - NONE."

Gibberish.

Paul, most republicans condemn what happened on 1/6, most liberals won't condemn the summer 2020 riots.

"She was talking about the people who were purged from voting roles"

Every single one of whom, was eligible to vote if they showed up with id. The data shows that turnout in that election was historically high. "High turnout" means lots of voters. And she lost.

From the USA Today, which is liberal, and I quote...

"the holds would not have stopped those Georgians from voting. All the person had to do is show up with their photo ID, which everyone has to have, and they would've been allowed to vote," he said

What else ya got, Paul?

"So that is one compared to what 70% of the R party?"

Have you seen a poll that shows what % of democrats think Abrams' election was stolen? I haven't. So I don't know which party has a higher % or folks who believe without facts, that an election they lost, was stolen.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ce/6318836002/

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i never, ever said people are only moving for politics. That is what you constantly imply as if that is the only reason.

you said they’re moving for weather. that’s ridiculous, No, that is not what I said. So stop lying. I said "there are many reasons"unfit was only about the weather, they’d move to warm liberal places.

But they don’t.
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Calif. is packed w/people and housing is expensive bc no more room in So. Calif.

If people wanted to move bc of politics, the warm states like Al, Miss, La, etc would be booming but their not. They are all failed states who depend on the rich liberal states to sustain themselves.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

They are all failed states who depend on the rich liberal states to sustain themselves.

define "failed states"....

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Calif. is packed w/people and housing is expensive bc no more room in So. Calif.

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tents are nice...people love camping...not a sign of failure at all

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Calif. is packed w/people and housing is expensive bc no more room in So. Calif.

If people wanted to move bc of politics, the warm states like Al, Miss, La, etc would be booming but their not. They are all failed states who depend on the rich liberal states to sustain themselves.

"Calif. is packed w/people"

You got a poll that shows that people choose FL over CA because of population density? Or are you making up anything you can that avoids the truth?

"If people wanted to move bc of politics, the warm states like Al, Miss, La, etc would be booming but their not."

I never said all red states are good states. But if politics had nothing to do with it, people would be moving equally to red states and blue states. If yuo look at the states where most people are moving to, they are disproportionately red.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

But the bad behavior on the left doesn't compare to the bad behaviour on the right.

good grief......

[wdmso]

hilarious jim defend Jan 6th with why people are moving to reds states AGAIN

Officials in Arizona’s Maricopa County are using the anniversary of the Jan. 6 insurrection to once again push back on claims of election fraud there that many Republicans believe helped Joe Biden win the 2020 presidential race.

"We're done. This is the end of the 2020 election. We have addressed the issues; we have debunked them,” said Bill Gates, the chairman of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors.

omg say it ain't so the damn RINOS are everywhere

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

hilarious jim defend Jan 6th with why people are moving to reds states AGAIN

Officials in Arizona’s Maricopa County are using the anniversary of the Jan. 6 insurrection to once again push back on claims of election fraud there that many Republicans believe helped Joe Biden win the 2020 presidential race.

"We're done. This is the end of the 2020 election. We have addressed the issues; we have debunked them,” said Bill Gates, the chairman of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors.

omg say it ain't so the damn RINOS are everywhere

january 6 has nothing to do with people moving to red states. never said they were related. i said the migration to red states, indicates that many americans think conservatives have some good ideas. that’s not reasonable?

wayne, you said this week, that people don’t move to red states because of politics, but they move for low taxes. You see no connection between politics and taxes. that’s about the stupidest thing i’ve ever heard. i’ve never said anything close to that stupid.

you also dismissed stacey abrams saying her election was stolen, because she said it to ted cruz. you couldn’t explain why it matters who she was speaking to.

worry about you, don’t worry about me.

i hate what conservatives did on january 6. i hate it because (1) i hate all riots, and (2) it was the first politically motivated riot i can think of, done by the right. up until
then, i could claim that only liberals resorted to rioting when they didn’t get their way. now i can’t ever say that again.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i hate what conservatives did on january 6.


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Well…trump got like 74 million votes…..and there have been about 700 arrests for bad behavior…no shots fired and mostly for trespassing and parading….you can do the math….I haven’t heard anyone condone the behavior so I don’t know that you can throw such a large blanket…..it was a relatively small number of knuckleheads in reality. It will be fun to find out how many people the FBI had involved to inspire bad behavior. Not that it would be an excuse but truly awful reflection and yet not unprecedented for that agency
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Well isn't that the R party today? A bunch of idiots

Seems to me we're screwed.

this sounds authoritarian

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Seems to me we're screwed.

Venezuela is accepting applications...

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

Venezuela is accepting applications...

That sounds like what a snarky troll would say.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

That sounds like what a snarky troll would say.

as opposed to saying republicans are a bunch of idiots. no snark there.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Seems to me we're screwed.

yet after 4 years of trump ( maybe the biggest jerk to ever be POTUS), a record 58% of americans said they were better off after 4 years of trump, than they were before. and that was during the pandemic.

a record number of americans liked his policies. gallup does that poll every 4 years, and no president ever, had more americans say they were better off than 4 years ago.

what’s impressive about that, is that things were pretty good at the end of obama’s second term, it’s not like trump inherited a great depression, where anyone could make improvements. yet a record number of americans said trump made things better, even though he inherited a good starting place.

Trump is an in obnoxious, vindictive, world class narcissist. But the fact is, Americans liked his policies. They didn’t like him personally, but they liked his policies.
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