Obama's IRS Targeted the Tea Party

[Sea Dangles]

Wasn't the person most responsible a Bush appointee?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Wasn't the person most responsible a Bush appointee?

Wouldn't matter, if it's an opportunity to embarrass the POTUS and waste taxpayer money then let's go for it.

I think the odds that it wasn't partisan aren't bad. To get tax exempt status your spending has to be focused on Social Work rather than Politics. And I think we'd all agree that there are a lot of groups that just ignore this...actually, in a lot of cases it's a joke.

With the eruption of organizations claiming to be affiliated to the Tea Party I'd say this would be some ripe territory to bust cheaters and help Uncle Sam increase revenues.

-spence

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

I think the odds that it wasn't partisan aren't bad. To get tax exempt status your spending has to be focused on Social Work rather than Politics. And I think we'd all agree that there are a lot of groups that just ignore this...actually, in a lot of cases it's a joke.


-spence

Like Planned Parenthood . I agree
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[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

Like Planned Parenthood . I agree
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Quite different. Most of all Planned Parenthood spending goes towards STD prevention and treatment, cancer screening, contraception and women's health.

How much does PP spend on political influence?

That's the point.

-spence

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Quite different. Most of all Planned Parenthood spending goes towards STD prevention and treatment, cancer screening, contraception and women's health.

How much does PP spend on political influence?

That's the point.

-spence

About 2 million, with an interesting increase during Obama years
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[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

About 2 million, with an interesting increase during Obama years
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Why is that interesting?

They spent 1.9 million in 2011 but most years it's around 500K.

Over the past decade that represents about 1/2 of a percent a year. Not a lot...

-spence

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Why is that interesting?

They spent 1.9 million in 2011 but most years it's around 500K.

Over the past decade that represents about 1/2 of a percent a year. Not a lot...

-spence

I don't think that 500k is an average since 2009 , is it???
I find it interesting because Obamacare encompasses quite a bit of money for them doesn't it ?

Let's get back to the case at hand .
The blatant use of the IRS to target Tea Party groups .
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Quite different. Most of all Planned Parenthood spending goes towards STD prevention and treatment, cancer screening, contraception and women's health.

How much does PP spend on political influence?

That's the point.

-spence

"Most of all Planned Parenthood spending goes towards STD prevention and treatment, cancer screening, contraception and women's health."

As usual, you ignored the things that make Planned Parenthood look repugnant, God forbid you tell the whole truth. You seemed to have forgotten lots of abortions, and a willingness to help organize international prostitution rings of under-aged girls. How does that one jive with the concern for women's health?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

As usual, you ignored the things that make Planned Parenthood look repugnant, God forbid you tell the whole truth. You seemed to have forgotten lots of abortions, and a willingness to help organize international prostitution rings of under-aged girls. How does that one jive with the concern for women's health?

I didn't ignore anything, only about 3% of their services are abortion related.

As for prostitution, you really need to read a little more...

Planned Parenthood, a perennial protest target because of its role in providing abortions, has notified the FBI that at least 12 of its health centers were visited recently by a man purporting to be a sex trafficker but who may instead be part of an attempted ruse to entrap clinic employees.

In each case, according to Planned Parenthood, the man sought to speak privately with a clinic employee and then requested information about health services for sex workers, including some who he said were minors and in the U.S. illegally.

Planned Parenthood's vice president for communications, Stuart Schear, said the organization has requested an FBI probe of the man's claims and has already fielded some initial FBI inquiries. However, Schear said Planned Parenthood's own investigation indicates that the man has links with Live Action, an anti-abortion group that has conducted previous undercover projects aimed at discrediting the nation's leading abortion provider.

-Washington Post

-spence

[Fly Rod]

Prostitution thru Planned Parenthood.....Is it free????? ....I really do not want to have to pay for it ........I'm frugal.....LMAO......

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I didn't ignore anything, only about 3% of their services are abortion related.

As for prostitution, you really need to read a little more...



-spence

Oh, I see...so Planned Parenthood wasn't concerned (nor are you concerned) that its employees were willing to advise on how to run a ring of 8 year-old prostitutes. What's really important here (to you and PP) is that someone posed as someone else, and came in with a hidden camers.

Spence, who gives a sh*t what group that camera crew is linked to? Did you see the videos? The issue here, the only issue, is that a multitude of PP employees gave prostitution advice, instead of calling the police.

SO instead of admitting they have a scandal on their hands, PP (and you, of course) try to pretend that the real issue is wih the camera crew.

Have you no shame? None at all?

P.S., we are all still waiting for your evidence that special forces troops weren't sent into Libya, because the Libyans didn't want us to send them. I am all atwitter with anticipation...

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by buckman

Like Planned Parenthood . I agree
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Or Heritage Foundation, or American Solutions for Winning the Future or Occupy, or......

This is a big deal, and the appropriate people should be canned. But to call this "Nixonian" show the tapes or email where it came from anywhere near the White House. I also read one report where one of the higherups called for it on all political groups, not just conservative...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Wouldn't matter, if it's an opportunity to embarrass the POTUS and waste taxpayer money then let's go for it.

I think the odds that it wasn't partisan aren't bad. To get tax exempt status your spending has to be focused on Social Work rather than Politics. And I think we'd all agree that there are a lot of groups that just ignore this...actually, in a lot of cases it's a joke.

With the eruption of organizations claiming to be affiliated to the Tea Party I'd say this would be some ripe territory to bust cheaters and help Uncle Sam increase revenues.

-spence

"if it's an opportunity to...waste taxpayer money then let's go for it."

Spence, we are all glad that you are so committed to avoiding the wasting of taxpayers money. We all know that's a cornerstone of your agenda...

"I think the odds that it wasn't partisan aren't bad"

I, for one, am shocked that you don't believe it's partisan.

If the Tea Party doesn't deserve tax-exempt status, don't give it to them. But don't single out conservative groups for investigation...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I think the odds that it wasn't partisan aren't bad. -spence

According to the Inspector General report, "IRS’s scrutiny went beyond keywords to target ideology.”

So according to the inspector general (who probably knows almost as much about this as you do), ideology was the basis for IRS targeting. The Denver Post ran that on their front page.

Still think there's good odds that it wasn't political?

There's no evidence that Obama had anything to do with this. But any child knows it was political.

Read more: Media can't ignore Obama IRS, Benghazi scandals | Fox News

[Raider Ronnie]

Yup

[justplugit]

WTH is this, IRS employees have received $92,million in bonuses since 2009 under the new Administration?
Interesting, for what, showing up for work? Since when did Government workers
receive tax payer bonuses, what was the target they had to exceed to get one?

According to one report, 16,900 employees got them including Commissioner
Byrd $60,270 and Lois Lerner, head of tax exempt dept $42,900.

Who in this Administration came up with this idea, why and what were their goals?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

So according to the inspector general (who probably knows almost as much about this as you do), ideology was the basis for IRS targeting. The Denver Post ran that on their front page.

Still think there's good odds that it wasn't political?

You think they were out to stick it to the Tea Party?

Evidence so far just makes it look like an overburdened group was trying to be efficient. That they were targeting ideology doesn't mean it was political...

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

You think they were out to stick it to the Tea Party?

Evidence so far just makes it look like an overburdened group was trying to be efficient. That they were targeting ideology doesn't mean it was political...

-spence

"You think they were out to stick it to the Tea Party?"

I think that's established fact at this point...that's what the IRS admitted, and it's why the interim director of the IRS got the axe.

"look like an overburdened group was trying to be efficient. "

They sought efficiency by flagging applications that had the words "tea party" in them. So you're saying the temporry head of the IRS got fired, because his employees were trying to be "efficient". That makes tons of sense.

This is probably the most absurd, dishonest thing you have ever posted. The IRS is admitting the bias, but you still won't admit it.

That's a nice culture of intolerance implemented by Obama. Republicans sit in the back of the bus, punish your enemies, conservatives cling to guns and religion because we are bitter and racist...are these the sentiments you want in a President?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"You think they were out to stick it to the Tea Party?"

I think that's established fact at this point...that's what the IRS admitted, and it's why the interim director of the IRS got the axe.

"look like an overburdened group was trying to be efficient. "

They sought efficiency by flagging applications that had the words "tea party" in them. So you're saying the temporry head of the IRS got fired, because his employees were trying to be "efficient". That makes tons of sense.

This is probably the most absurd, dishonest thing you have ever posted. The IRS is admitting the bias, but you still won't admit it.

That's a nice culture of intolerance implemented by Obama. Republicans sit in the back of the bus, punish your enemies, conservatives cling to guns and religion because we are bitter and racist...are these the sentiments you want in a President?

The IRS has never admitted their actions were politically motivated. You don't seem to be able to grasp the difference.

-spence

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

The IRS has never admitted their actions were politically motivated. You don't seem to be able to grasp the difference.

-spence

Spence, if the IRS' motives for targeting the Tea Party were not political, please tell me what they were. Is it because the IRS likes the Red Sox, and the Tea Party likes the Yankees? Is that what it was?

Why do you suppose the IRS flagged applications based on the words "tea party", and not on the words "hooray abortion" or "gimme gimme gimme"? Good luck with that...

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The IRS is admitting the bias, but you still won't admit it.

JIM, this has to be Spence playing the Devil's Advocate here, it's the only possible explanation.