Health insurance

[buckman]

Appears the pharmaceutical companies got a sweet deal....hey, wasn't that emergency appointment to Kennedy's seat a pharmaceutical lobbiest?
Wow, I mean WOW, that's a weird coincidence.

Thank you DEMS!!! And you managed to screw the seniors too.

[Bronko]

My hardcore liberal sister-in-law (who is a scialist in every sense of the word) is furious with Obama. She resides in the Howard Dean camp that this bill is nothing the progressive core liberals wanted. Every item they wanted has been wiped clean. She admits it is junk and thinks Obama and Rahm sold out to the insurance lobby. She could spit on Obama today... three months ago she thought he walked on water. Piece by piece it is all coming undone... might explain this....

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[Joe]

Interesting that hard left democrats are pissed off because its not socialized medicine, and the right is pissed off because it is socialized medicine.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Joe

Interesting that hard left democrats are pissed off because its not socialized medicine, and the right is pissed off because it is socialized medicine.

I'm pissed off because we can't afford it, it's a lousy bill that doesn't fix any problems but creates more hardship. It's based on fiscal lies. It screws senior citizens..... there is a reason they are doing it at this time. It's a sucky bill and they are ramming it down our collective throats. We deserve better. VOTE THEM OUT. or not. It's up to you.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Joe

Interesting that hard left democrats are pissed off because its not socialized medicine, and the right is pissed off because it is socialized medicine.

No one really knows what it actually is aside from what Fox News, MSNBC and CNN reports.

In one poll, more than half of Americans want this to go through - in another, less than 40% want it - in yet another, a public-option has over 60% support.

As a business owner, I'm prepping ourselves to bend over, grab the ankles and take it like a prison inmate.

Nothing good will come from this.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

As a business owner, I'm prepping ourselves to bend over, grab the ankles and take it like a prison inmate.

and you'll be getting exactly what you voted for...he warned you and you didn't listen....... Hope and Change

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by scottw

and you'll be getting exactly what you voted for...he warned you and you didn't listen....... Hope and Change

Actually, this isn't at all the HC Overhaul that was campaigned. So, you're wrong.

Also, as many of you forget, Obama isn't drafting the bill. He's blindly campaigning for the American people to get behind whatever the House and Senate come up with. Essentially, even he doesn't fully know what he's trying to sell. That isn't a defense for his actions, but this certainly isn't "Obama's Bill" as many of you like to portray it as.

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Actually, this isn't at all the HC Overhaul that was campaigned. So, you're wrong.

Also, as many of you forget, Obama isn't drafting the bill. He's blindly campaigning for the American people to get behind whatever the House and Senate come up with. Essentially, even he doesn't fully know what he's trying to sell. That isn't a defense for his actions, but this certainly isn't "Obama's Bill" as many of you like to portray it as.

Johhny, this is not Obama's bill, per se. It's his forcing something through so he has one accomplishment to hang his hat on after a year in office. It's sad how he had to use threats and scare tactics just so he could claim that one of his campaign promises was kept after a year. I can't wait to hear him proclaim success with a plan that most Americans want nothing to do with.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Actually, this isn't at all the HC Overhaul that was campaigned. So, you're wrong.

Also, as many of you forget, Obama isn't drafting the bill. He's blindly campaigning for the American people to get behind whatever the House and Senate come up with. Essentially, even he doesn't fully know what he's trying to sell. That isn't a defense for his actions, but this certainly isn't "Obama's Bill" as many of you like to portray it as.

Obama says he's getting 95% of what he wanted in the bill, one of you is lying...

"Obama said the Senate legislation accomplishes 95 percent of what he wanted on health care. "Every single criteria for reform I put forward is in this bill," the president said in an interview with The Washington Post."

there's that pesky number again 95%.....


again...let me be clear ... EVERY SINGLE CRITERIA FOR REFORM I PUT FORWARD IS IN THIS BILL....

QUOTE justplugit:
"I would call, it an "Obama, Pelosi, Reid Bill" as they are the main players"

I believe we have a new Axis of Evil

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Joe

Interesting that hard left democrats are pissed off because its not socialized medicine, and the right is pissed off because it is socialized medicine.

It's not so much an either/or as it is a too much socialism vs. wanting more socialism. For the hard left, it was a chance for a big leap toward a socialist state instead of the slower, incremental shifting toward the Hobbesian Leviathan that has been occuring almost from the nation's beginning. The financial "crisis," the climate change conference, and the health care bill were massive opportunities to reinterpret/change the Constitution as granting positive powers to the State to DO for us as a group rather than only being a list of prohibitions of what it CANNOT DO against us as individuals, as well as opportunities to redistribute wealth from each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

But, incremental steps in a socialist direction have been taken. That's why there is displeasure on both sides.

[Fly Rod]

Originally Posted by Bronko

My hardcore liberal sister-in-law (who is a scialist in every sense of the word) is furious with Obama. She resides in the Howard Dean camp that this bill is nothing the progressive core liberals wanted. Every item they wanted has been wiped clean. She admits it is junk and thinks Obama and Rahm sold out to the insurance lobby. She could spit on Obama today... three months ago she thought he walked on water. Piece by piece it is all coming undone... might explain this....

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Is your sister in law a Blonde?

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

Is your sister in law a Blonde?

I don't know, are you an Ass

[justplugit]

This bill looks like a Christmas tree with goodies for all the holdouts.

Reid says "A number of states are treated differently than other states.
That's what legislation is all about, compromise."

Ya right, he's gotta be kiddin me.
Looks like a desperation bill, which gives whatever they want for the holdouts, so they can meet an artificial dead line,
at our cost.
Took a no cost Medicaid offer for Nevada for Nelson to sell out.

[Fly Rod]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

I don't know, are you an Ass

NO!

Are U a Democrat? If U R U would have to be an ASS! Why else would a group have a JackAss for a symbol.

[justplugit]

Flash-- NYT reports today- Harry Reid voted NO on his own HC bill then realized what he did and changed his vote to yes.

Our esteemed Senate leader.

Prolly a Freudian slip, sub consciously knowing the bill is a travesty.