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12-11-2009, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
What gave Iran the time to develop their nuke program was precisely a complete lack of diplomacy. Bush did his best to ignore Iran as he was occupied with Iraq. The inside scoop is even that Iran was so terrified of a US invasion after we bounced Saddam that they tried to reach out to us to get a dialogue going, but the Bush Admin would have none of it.
Now, many of the other global players have even deeper interests in Iran. Obama has inherited a very difficult situation, but it seems like he is pulling a unified front together with a real deadline looming very soon...if it's not too late.
-spence
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Maybe you could give us " the inside scoop" as to what the looming deadline will entail. |
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12-13-2009, 02:44 PM
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Spence, not to take away from your HC thread,
but it's taken Obama close to a a year for him to figure out "an outstretched hand to Iran
will not on it's own produce the results he needs."??????
Flash- with crazies, you deal from strenght first,
THEN you offer "an outstrectched hand to get the results you need." |
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12-13-2009, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by justplugit
Spence, not to take away from your HC thread,
but it's taken Obama close to a a year for him to figure out "an outstretched hand to Iran
will not on it's own produce the results he needs."??????
Flash- with crazies, you deal from strenght first,
THEN you offer "an outstrectched hand to get the results you need."
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Did you read the linked article?
One key point was that Obama's failed effort to pursue a peaceful diplomatic solution has earned him the chits necessary to get Russia and China to potentially play ball.
Or put more simply, he's done his diligence...
Bush had no patience nor respect for International laws, and the result was 8 years of complete inaction. Yet, you're fretting over 9 months where it looks (on paper at least) like we're making some progress?
This isn't a situation where we can just sock a bully (or a crazy) in the mouth. I think they might be on to something here...
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12-13-2009, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
Did you read the linked article?
One key point was that Obama's failed effort to pursue a peaceful diplomatic solution has earned him the chits necessary to get Russia and China to potentially play ball.
Or put more simply, he's done his diligence...
Bush had no patience nor respect for International laws, and the result was 8 years of complete inaction. Yet, you're fretting over 9 months where it looks (on paper at least) like we're making some progress?
This isn't a situation where we can just sock a bully (or a crazy) in the mouth. I think they might be on to something here...
-spence
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He's retained Bush's man do do the job Bush warned needed to be done years ago. This, IOM is a good thing. |
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12-14-2009, 08:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spence
Did you read the linked article?
One key point was that Obama's failed effort to pursue a peaceful diplomatic solution has earned him the chits necessary to get Russia and China to potentially play ball.
Or put more simply, he's done his diligence...
Yet, you're fretting over 9 months where it looks (on paper at least) like we're making some progress?
This isn't a situation where we can just sock a bully (or a crazy) in the mouth. I think they might be on to something here...
-spence
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Yes I read the article, that's where the quote came from.
I like the word potentially when used about China and Russia getting on board.
We haven't even been able to get our Allie?, Italy to stop selling helicopters to Iran.
It's 11 months now not 9. Another month and he owns it all.
Your right, but you can say what you mean and mean what you say
showing you are coming from a source of power, not bowing down and
making nice.
Tough situation all around with no simple answers, for sure,
but you can't reason with an unreasonable man. |
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12-14-2009, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by justplugit
Tough situation all around with no simple answers, for sure,
but you can't reason with an unreasonable man.
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One man doesn't run Iran.
-spence |
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12-14-2009, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
One man doesn't run Iran.
-spence
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Well let me change that, you can't reason with unreasonable men.  |
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12-14-2009, 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
One man doesn't run Iran.
-spence
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Well kind of, but it's not Ahmadinejad. It's mostly Ayatollah Khamenei. |
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12-13-2009, 05:02 PM
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Yes it is. |
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