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[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

Diplomacy in regards to Iran is only helping Iran create the time it needs to have a WMD. It's not working Spence, understand? Why don't we have tougher sanctions in place?
Hell Obama's done so much in his first year. I believe on all fronts, including home we were better off with Bush. Show me where I'm wrong.

What gave Iran the time to develop their nuke program was precisely a complete lack of diplomacy. Bush did his best to ignore Iran as he was occupied with Iraq. The inside scoop is even that Iran was so terrified of a US invasion after we bounced Saddam that they tried to reach out to us to get a dialogue going, but the Bush Admin would have none of it.

Now, many of the other global players have even deeper interests in Iran. Obama has inherited a very difficult situation, but it seems like he is pulling a unified front together with a real deadline looming very soon...if it's not too late.

-spence

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

What gave Iran the time to develop their nuke program was precisely a complete lack of diplomacy. Bush did his best to ignore Iran as he was occupied with Iraq. The inside scoop is even that Iran was so terrified of a US invasion after we bounced Saddam that they tried to reach out to us to get a dialogue going, but the Bush Admin would have none of it.

Now, many of the other global players have even deeper interests in Iran. Obama has inherited a very difficult situation, but it seems like he is pulling a unified front together with a real deadline looming very soon...if it's not too late.

-spence

Maybe you could give us " the inside scoop" as to what the looming deadline will entail.

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

Maybe you could give us " the inside scoop" as to what the looming deadline will entail.

This is very interesting...

Obama Prepares to Get Tough on Iran | Newsweek Politics | Newsweek.com

-spence

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

This is very interesting...

Obama Prepares to Get Tough on Iran | Newsweek Politics | Newsweek.com

-spence

Spence, not to take away from your HC thread,
but it's taken Obama close to a a year for him to figure out "an outstretched hand to Iran
will not on it's own produce the results he needs."??????

Flash- with crazies, you deal from strenght first,
THEN you offer "an outstrectched hand to get the results you need."

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Flash- with crazies, you deal from strenght first,
THEN you offer "an outstrectched hand to get the results you need."

Dealing from strength first (IE. the Bush method) proved to be quite effective with Iran and North Korea. The proof is in today's news:
North Korean plane carrying smuggled arms seized in Thailand | World news | guardian.co.uk
Iran 'ready to swap uranium for fuel' - CNN.com

[spence]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Spence, not to take away from your HC thread,
but it's taken Obama close to a a year for him to figure out "an outstretched hand to Iran
will not on it's own produce the results he needs."??????

Flash- with crazies, you deal from strenght first,
THEN you offer "an outstrectched hand to get the results you need."

Did you read the linked article?

One key point was that Obama's failed effort to pursue a peaceful diplomatic solution has earned him the chits necessary to get Russia and China to potentially play ball.

Or put more simply, he's done his diligence...

Bush had no patience nor respect for International laws, and the result was 8 years of complete inaction. Yet, you're fretting over 9 months where it looks (on paper at least) like we're making some progress?

This isn't a situation where we can just sock a bully (or a crazy) in the mouth. I think they might be on to something here...

-spence

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Did you read the linked article?

One key point was that Obama's failed effort to pursue a peaceful diplomatic solution has earned him the chits necessary to get Russia and China to potentially play ball.

Or put more simply, he's done his diligence...

Bush had no patience nor respect for International laws, and the result was 8 years of complete inaction. Yet, you're fretting over 9 months where it looks (on paper at least) like we're making some progress?

This isn't a situation where we can just sock a bully (or a crazy) in the mouth. I think they might be on to something here...

-spence

He's retained Bush's man do do the job Bush warned needed to be done years ago. This, IOM is a good thing.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by spence

Did you read the linked article?

One key point was that Obama's failed effort to pursue a peaceful diplomatic solution has earned him the chits necessary to get Russia and China to potentially play ball.

Or put more simply, he's done his diligence...

Yet, you're fretting over 9 months where it looks (on paper at least) like we're making some progress?

This isn't a situation where we can just sock a bully (or a crazy) in the mouth. I think they might be on to something here...

-spence

Yes I read the article, that's where the quote came from.

I like the word potentially when used about China and Russia getting on board.
We haven't even been able to get our Allie?, Italy to stop selling helicopters to Iran.

It's 11 months now not 9. Another month and he owns it all.

Your right, but you can say what you mean and mean what you say
showing you are coming from a source of power, not bowing down and
making nice.

Tough situation all around with no simple answers, for sure,
but you can't reason with an unreasonable man.

[spence]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Tough situation all around with no simple answers, for sure,
but you can't reason with an unreasonable man.

One man doesn't run Iran.

-spence

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

This is very interesting...

Obama Prepares to Get Tough on Iran | Newsweek Politics | Newsweek.com

-spence

Yes it is.