didn't take long

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

In whose opinion does it?

I think they should confine those things to Catholic schools as it historically has.
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in many liberals
opinion, it belongs in public school.

there was a book with illustrations of young boys blowing each other. conservatives wanted it out of school libraries. you guys all said the conservatives were a bunch of book burning, pro-censorship, homophobes
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

in many liberals
opinion, it belongs in public school.

there was a book with illustrations of young boys blowing each other. conservatives wanted it out of school libraries. you guys all said the conservatives were a bunch of book burning, pro-censorship, homophobes
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Many liberals.........

What's actually happening is that, after many many many decades of conservatives undercutting education, trying to ban books, and censoring what students can learn, the left had a little more cultural power and a sense of urgency thanks to Trump, and they capitalized on it.

There is a lot to criticize with how some progressive people have capitalized on this moment - what they're prioritizing, the kind of reductive ideas they're teaching. But they are not the new catalyst for right-wing censorship, lying, and attempts to outlaw teaching history.

Or I guess I should say: They are one catalyst for the current right-wing freak-out and attendant attempts at censorship and outlawing teaching accurate US history. But the right has long, long been censoring, lying and removing truth from the classroom. It's not new.

The right didn't start these egregious behaviors yesterday solely in response to the left. They've been doing this for a LONG time. Progressives reacted and had some wins. Now the right is doubling down on these long-standing impulses toward censorship and anti-intellectualism.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Many liberals.........

What's actually happening is that, after many many many decades of conservatives undercutting education, trying to ban books, and censoring what students can learn, the left had a little more cultural power and a sense of urgency thanks to Trump, and they capitalized on it.

There is a lot to criticize with how some progressive people have capitalized on this moment - what they're prioritizing, the kind of reductive ideas they're teaching. But they are not the new catalyst for right-wing censorship, lying, and attempts to outlaw teaching history.

Or I guess I should say: They are one catalyst for the current right-wing freak-out and attendant attempts at censorship and outlawing teaching accurate US history. But the right has long, long been censoring, lying and removing truth from the classroom. It's not new.

The right didn't start these egregious behaviors yesterday solely in response to the left. They've been doing this for a LONG time. Progressives reacted and had some wins. Now the right is doubling down on these long-standing impulses toward censorship and anti-intellectualism.

if i say schools don’t need books showing adolescent boys boeing each other, that makes me anti intellectual?

i’m saying kids need more time developing their intellect ( math, science, literature), and less time getting indoctrinated with political ideology. Pretty sure that doesn’t make me an anti intellectual. i want schools to focus on developing the intellect. leave the divisive social issues to parents.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

if i say schools don’t need books showing adolescent boys boeing each other, that makes me anti intellectual?

i’m saying kids need more time developing their intellect ( math, science, literature), and less time getting indoctrinated with political ideology. Pretty sure that doesn’t make me an anti intellectual. i want schools to focus on developing the intellect. leave the divisive social issues to parents.
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the difference between you and pete is.... you would never want to force pete's kids to learn those things, if pete wants to teach his kids those things at home that's fine...but pete is happy to have your kids forced to learn those things at school

that makes pete a good person in his mind, and you a bad person and anti-intellectual...see how it works?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

the difference between you and pete is.... you would never want to force pete's kids to learn those things, if pete wants to teach his kids those things at home that's fine...but pete is happy to have your kids forced to learn those things at school

that makes pete a good person in his mind, and you a bad person and anti-intellectual...see how it works?

Silly troll, the straw man of one book becomes justification.

The party of book burning, banning local gov'ts from decisions, enabling lawsuits against teachers over hurt feelings, bounties on women seeking medical help, laws restricting voting access for all, & trying to legislate LBGTQ to not exist... has concerns about gov't overreach...
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Silly troll, the straw man of one book becomes justification.

The party of book burning, banning local gov'ts from decisions, enabling lawsuits against teachers over hurt feelings, bounties on women seeking medical help, laws restricting voting access for all, & trying to legislate LBGTQ to not exist... has concerns about gov't overreach...
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^^^someone needs his medication

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Silly troll, the straw man of one book becomes justification.

The party of book burning, banning local gov'ts from decisions, enabling lawsuits against teachers over hurt feelings, bounties on women seeking medical help, laws restricting voting access for all, & trying to legislate LBGTQ to not exist... has concerns about gov't overreach...
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schools having books with illustrations of boys blowing each other isn’t government overreach. it’s government stupidity.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

schools having books with illustrations of boys blowing each other isn’t government overreach. it’s government stupidity.
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you are an incompetent parent who won't teach them these skills at home...so it's up to the schools

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

schools having books with illustrations of boys blowing each other isn’t government overreach. it’s government stupidity.
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Yes the plan is to make sure that book is in every school
You believe that?
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