didn't take long

[Pete F.]

Wonder which states have the highest rates of divorce and teen pregnancy?
Better just let them learn about the birds and the bees at recess, huh

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Wonder which states have the highest rates of divorce and teen pregnancy?
Better just let them learn about the birds and the bees at recess, huh

Plenty of teen pregnancies in liberal-run cities, last time i checked.

We weren't talking how to avoid getting pregnant. For sure we weren't talking about stable marriages. We were talking about pornography, homosexuality, etc.

It doesn't belong in public school IMO.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Plenty of teen pregnancies in liberal-run cities, last time i checked.

We weren't talking how to avoid getting pregnant. For sure we weren't talking about stable marriages. We were talking about pornography, homosexuality, etc.

It doesn't belong in public school IMO.

In whose opinion does it?

I think they should confine those things to Catholic schools as it historically has.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

In whose opinion does it?

I think they should confine those things to Catholic schools as it historically has.
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in many liberals
opinion, it belongs in public school.

there was a book with illustrations of young boys blowing each other. conservatives wanted it out of school libraries. you guys all said the conservatives were a bunch of book burning, pro-censorship, homophobes
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

in many liberals
opinion, it belongs in public school.

there was a book with illustrations of young boys blowing each other. conservatives wanted it out of school libraries. you guys all said the conservatives were a bunch of book burning, pro-censorship, homophobes
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Many liberals.........

What's actually happening is that, after many many many decades of conservatives undercutting education, trying to ban books, and censoring what students can learn, the left had a little more cultural power and a sense of urgency thanks to Trump, and they capitalized on it.

There is a lot to criticize with how some progressive people have capitalized on this moment - what they're prioritizing, the kind of reductive ideas they're teaching. But they are not the new catalyst for right-wing censorship, lying, and attempts to outlaw teaching history.

Or I guess I should say: They are one catalyst for the current right-wing freak-out and attendant attempts at censorship and outlawing teaching accurate US history. But the right has long, long been censoring, lying and removing truth from the classroom. It's not new.

The right didn't start these egregious behaviors yesterday solely in response to the left. They've been doing this for a LONG time. Progressives reacted and had some wins. Now the right is doubling down on these long-standing impulses toward censorship and anti-intellectualism.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Many liberals.........

What's actually happening is that, after many many many decades of conservatives undercutting education, trying to ban books, and censoring what students can learn, the left had a little more cultural power and a sense of urgency thanks to Trump, and they capitalized on it.

There is a lot to criticize with how some progressive people have capitalized on this moment - what they're prioritizing, the kind of reductive ideas they're teaching. But they are not the new catalyst for right-wing censorship, lying, and attempts to outlaw teaching history.

Or I guess I should say: They are one catalyst for the current right-wing freak-out and attendant attempts at censorship and outlawing teaching accurate US history. But the right has long, long been censoring, lying and removing truth from the classroom. It's not new.

The right didn't start these egregious behaviors yesterday solely in response to the left. They've been doing this for a LONG time. Progressives reacted and had some wins. Now the right is doubling down on these long-standing impulses toward censorship and anti-intellectualism.

if i say schools don’t need books showing adolescent boys boeing each other, that makes me anti intellectual?

i’m saying kids need more time developing their intellect ( math, science, literature), and less time getting indoctrinated with political ideology. Pretty sure that doesn’t make me an anti intellectual. i want schools to focus on developing the intellect. leave the divisive social issues to parents.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

if i say schools don’t need books showing adolescent boys boeing each other, that makes me anti intellectual?

i’m saying kids need more time developing their intellect ( math, science, literature), and less time getting indoctrinated with political ideology. Pretty sure that doesn’t make me an anti intellectual. i want schools to focus on developing the intellect. leave the divisive social issues to parents.
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the difference between you and pete is.... you would never want to force pete's kids to learn those things, if pete wants to teach his kids those things at home that's fine...but pete is happy to have your kids forced to learn those things at school

that makes pete a good person in his mind, and you a bad person and anti-intellectual...see how it works?

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Wonder which states have the highest rates of divorce and teen pregnancy?
Better just let them learn about the birds and the bees at recess, huh

How about you post some stats that lead in number of marriages each year along with the highest divorce rates ?
No one gets married any more compared to generations past so naturally divorce rates will be higher were they actually Get Married.