Trump tweeted he will "Address the Nation

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

I think you’re close but I think the old school republicans don’t like him seizing control of the Republican Party and are looking to their vision of the future.
Trump is not growing the party, he is reducing it. People who identify as leaning republican are put off by his failure to be or inability to appear to be a truthful leader. Put that in just for you.
These guys are shrewd longtime politicians with long term goals and they will not be Nixoned again.
Either he pulls this off and skates thru the investigation issues or they turn and he’s gone.
If he’s gone I am not sure that Pence will be allowed to pardon him. They want to win the next election or at the very least be in a positive position, not viewed as enabling.
There’s a reason McConnell has been invisible and Graham has been helping.
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I have no ability to predict with any degree of confidence what the future will be. What you say is plausible, but it is the very kind of political party machination that drove voters away from Trump's Republican opponents in the primaries and into choosing him.

A lot of folks were plain sick and tired of politics as usual and with politicians speaking the same old smooth but phony rhetoric. Trump was the bull in the china shop that smashed the typical stock of imitation figurines. He was an actual "agent of change." And if voters see that the old school Republicans you refer to are acting like typical power mongers who are trying to destroy him in order to seize back power, they may very well give Trump the nod again.

Regardless of the outcome, what you describe is not, to me, savory, but reeks of lying and treachery. Of course, that is the nature of party politics.

[wdmso]

Fear fear fear then a break to blame Democrats

( he left out the fact republicans held both houses for 2 years until january and then once democrats took over the House ?? this national emergency magically appeared !!! again funny how that works.

and even funner how his supporters here avoid that part of History like the plague

then fear fear fear god bless America ..

Sounds a lot like Trump is using locked out tactics

A lockout is generally to try to enforce terms upon a group of lawmakers during a dispute. lockout to convince the House to back down.

Someone needs to tell Trump not everyone has 3 months worth of income in the bank...

Trump Hurting Americans to save Americans

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Fear fear fear then a break to blame Democrats

( he left out the fact republicans held both houses for 2 years until january and then once democrats took over the House ?? this national emergency magically appeared !!! again funny how that works.

and even funner how his supporters here avoid that part of History like the plague

then fear fear fear god bless America ..

Sounds a lot like Trump is using locked out tactics

A lockout is generally to try to enforce terms upon a group of lawmakers during a dispute. lockout to convince the House to back down.

Someone needs to tell Trump not everyone has 3 months worth of income in the bank...

Trump Hurting Americans to save Americans

"he left out the fact republicans held both houses for 2 years until january and then once democrats took over the House ?? "

You are absolutely 100% correct. Trump campaigned on this issue, it wasa huge reason why he won the primary, and the GOP controlled congress for 2 years, and they did nothing. A lot of republican voters are ticked off. It won't make us vote for democrats, but we are mighty ticked off. You are absolutely 100% correct, it's sleazy for him to say that the dems are the only reason we don't have a wall. I don't know why they didn't do it when they could have.

"Fear fear fear"

A couple thousand murders? If his crime stats are accurate, don't places with high numbers of illegals, maybe have a legitimate concern? Just as it's wrong for Trump to refuse to accept some blame for not having the wall yet, it's equally wrong (in my opinion) for democrats and the media to say it's a manufactured crisis. The democrats passed some big bills in 2006 and 2013 to tackle immigration, so it seemed like they thought it was a crisis then.

Both sides are way more interested in using this issue as a club against their opponents, than they are in fixing it. This is a great example of why congress has a dismal approval rating, and they deserve it.

"Someone needs to tell Trump not everyone has 3 months worth of income in the bank... "

Did you say the same thing when Obama oversaw a shutdown? Be honest...

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"he left out the fact republicans held both houses for 2 years until january and then once democrats took over the House ?? "

You are absolutely 100% correct. Trump campaigned on this issue, it wasa huge reason why he won the primary, and the GOP controlled congress for 2 years, and they did nothing. A lot of republican voters are ticked off. It won't make us vote for democrats, but we are mighty ticked off. You are absolutely 100% correct, it's sleazy for him to say that the dems are the only reason we don't have a wall. I don't know why they didn't do it when they could have.

"Fear fear fear"

A couple thousand murders? If his crime stats are accurate, don't places with high numbers of illegals, maybe have a legitimate concern? Just as it's wrong for Trump to refuse to accept some blame for not having the wall yet, it's equally wrong (in my opinion) for democrats and the media to say it's a manufactured crisis. The democrats passed some big bills in 2006 and 2013 to tackle immigration, so it seemed like they thought it was a crisis then.

Both sides are way more interested in using this issue as a club against their opponents, than they are in fixing it. This is a great example of why congress has a dismal approval rating, and they deserve it.

"Someone needs to tell Trump not everyone has 3 months worth of income in the bank... "

Did you say the same thing when Obama oversaw a shutdown? Be honest...

Please this shut down is not remotely the same as Obama’s shut down but once agin you show your skills off suggesting they are the same

Yes dems passed bills so have reps on the issue but Trump keeps moving the goalposts on his own team

Are Trump or his supporters familiar with the fable of the boy who cried wolf? Because it’s playing out now in the White House l
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Please this shut down is not remotely the same as Obama’s shut down but once agin you show your skills off suggesting they are the same

Yes dems passed bills so have reps on the issue but Trump keeps moving the goalposts on his own team

Are Trump or his supporters familiar with the fable of the boy who cried wolf? Because it’s playing out now in the White House l
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"this shut down is not remotely the same as Obama’s shut down "

Stop moving the goalposts. I was responding to your post, where you implied that shutdowns are wrong because of their impact on federal workers. That's what you said, and that's what I was responding to.

From the perspective of workers who didn't get paid, what was the difference between the two shutdowns?

"you show your skills off suggesting they are the same"

Never implied they were the same. But didn't both result in workers not getting paid? What's on display here, is your inability to admit your side plays these games too, and that it's equally wrong regardless of who does it. Nope. Political gamesmanship is only bothersome to you, when the GOP does it. I was pretty critical of the GOP in my response to you. When I mentioned Obama's shutdown, you can't bring yourself to say that also hurt federal workers, all you can do is say "it wasn't the same as this". OK, I tried engaging you like an adult, and it was a waste.

"Are Trump or his supporters familiar with the fable of the boy who cried wolf? Because it’s playing out now in the White House "

Tell that to the widow and 5 month-old left behind by Officer Singh.

Did that cop get murdered by an illegal who had two DUIs here? yes or no? Did the GOP fabricate it, or did it happen? I fit happened, how many Americans like that cop are you willing to sacrifice on the alter of liberalism, before you can admit that there's a problem?

Boy who cried wolf. Unfreakinbelievable.

You're a sheep. You cannot think critically, you can regurgitate what you hear on MSNBC, that's all. GOP is b-a-a-a-a-d.


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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

From the perspective of workers who didn't get paid, what was the difference between the two shutdowns?

"you show your skills off suggesting they are the same"

Never implied they were the same. But didn't both result in workers not getting paid?
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Just as an FYI, Fed Gov employees haven't missed a paycheck yet. This Friday will be the first one they miss.

and historically, even those who didn't work during the shutdowns in the past, have gotten retroactive pay covering the days they didn't work. So techniclly, they got paid.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Just as an FYI, Fed Gov employees haven't missed a paycheck yet. This Friday will be the first one they miss.

and historically, even those who didn't work during the shutdowns in the past, have gotten retroactive pay covering the days they didn't work. So techniclly, they got paid vacation.

fixed it

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"this shut down is not remotely the same as Obama’s shut down "

Stop moving the goalposts. I was responding to your post, where you implied that shutdowns are wrong because of their impact on federal workers. That's what you said, and that's what I was responding to.

From the perspective of workers who didn't get paid, what was the difference between the two shutdowns?

"you show your skills off suggesting they are the same"

Never implied they were the same. But didn't both result in workers not getting paid? What's on display here, is your inability to admit your side plays these games too, and that it's equally wrong regardless of who does it. Nope. Political gamesmanship is only bothersome to you, when the GOP does it. I was pretty critical of the GOP in my response to you. When I mentioned Obama's shutdown, you can't bring yourself to say that also hurt federal workers, all you can do is say "it wasn't the same as this". OK, I tried engaging you like an adult, and it was a waste.

"Are Trump or his supporters familiar with the fable of the boy who cried wolf? Because it’s playing out now in the White House "

Tell that to the widow and 5 month-old left behind by Officer Singh.

Did that cop get murdered by an illegal who had two DUIs here? yes or no? Did the GOP fabricate it, or did it happen? I fit happened, how many Americans like that cop are you willing to sacrifice on the alter of liberalism, before you can admit that there's a problem?

Boy who cried wolf. Unfreakinbelievable.

You're a sheep. You cannot think critically, you can regurgitate what you hear on MSNBC, that's all. GOP is b-a-a-a-a-d.


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And what would you say to his wife if he was killed by a Us citizen? Would it garner less attention or be less tragic .. nothing is more than pathetic than using people’s deaths to forward a political agenda . No matter the party

Can you name the 3 officers who have been killed in the line of duty in 2019. Of course you can’t .. doubt if you even knew it there were 3 .. why because they weren’t caused by an illegal there’s no value in that for Trump

Trump has been crying since the day he announced his bid for president
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

And what would you say to his wife if he was killed by a Us citizen?
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the same thing you'd say to the wife if he was killed by some on guy the street thanks to a liberal judge who released him when he should not have been on the street...

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

nothing is more than pathetic than using people’s deaths to forward a political agenda . No matter the party
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You mean like, parading a Gold Star Dad up on stage.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

And what would you say to his wife if he was killed by a Us citizen? Would it garner less attention or be less tragic .. nothing is more than pathetic than using people’s deaths to forward a political agenda . No matter the party

Can you name the 3 officers who have been killed in the line of duty in 2019. Of course you can’t .. doubt if you even knew it there were 3 .. why because they weren’t caused by an illegal there’s no value in that for Trump

Trump has been crying since the day he announced his bid for president
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i don’t know what i’d say. he wasn’t killed by a us citizen. i can make a very strong case that he was killed
by open borders and sanctuary policies.

wdmso, if none of the people
hurt by illegals were actually hurt by illegals, i’d probably feel differently. and if a frog had wings, he wouldn’t bump his azz hopping around. it’s a stupid, utterly meaningless, hypothetical.

we are a large and free nation, which means there are bad apples out there. there’s not a lot we can do to remove them. we can do something, about whether or not we choose to incentivize bad leople
from mexico to come here, and whether or not we choose to shield
them from deportation.

i don’t agree with you on the wall obviously. but the liberal position on the wall, isnt nearly as absurd as the liberal position on sanctuary cities and states.

anyway, back to your other post, if you could tell
me why a federal worker fuoughed bynthe trump shutdown is hurt worse than a federal worker hurt by the obama
shut down, i’d appreciate it.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Please this shut down is not remotely the same as Obama’s shut down but once agin you show your skills off suggesting they are the same

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Actually, Obama's was worse as it affected every Department. This one doesn't affect a lot of the DoD as they are already funded through 2019

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Actually, Obama's was worse as it affected every Department. This one doesn't affect a lot of the DoD as they are already funded through 2019

I would like to see WDMSO's response to this, I really would.

I can't imagine that furloughed workers will not get back pay. But it can create a hardship, especially at Christmastime, if they racked up credit card debt that they now have to pay interest on. And many of them live paycheck to paycheck (I do), what if their mortgage is due Friday?

The solution is so friggin simple. Dems give Trump 5B for his wall, the GOP agrees to give the Dems what they want on DACA, leading to legal residence but not citizenship. Everybody gets something they like, everybody has to deal with something they don't like.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The solution is so friggin simple. Dems give Trump 5B for his wall, the GOP agrees to give the Dems what they want on DACA, leading to legal residence but not citizenship. Everybody gets something they like, everybody has to deal with something they don't like.

Schumer already floated this and Trump rejected it.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I can't imagine that furloughed workers will not get back pay. But it can create a hardship, especially at Christmastime, if they racked up credit card debt that they now have to pay interest on. And many of them live paycheck to paycheck (I do), what if their mortgage is due Friday?

I hear ya, I'm not saying it's not going to create hardship, just putting it out there that as of today, pay hasn't been affected. It will, come Friday and it will suck for a lot of people.

I agree that they need to stop playing stupid friggin games and having hissy fits, and do their #^&#^&#^&#^&ing job and fix it.

[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Actually, Obama's was worse as it affected every Department. This one doesn't affect a lot of the DoD as they are already funded through 2019

Bigger in scope but 2013 was a result primarily of Republican efforts to defund existing law, not create new spending.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Bigger in scope but 2013 was a result primarily of Republican efforts to defund existing law, not create new spending.
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wdmso said the shutdown was bad because it effected workers. from that perspective, obama’s shutdown was at least as bad for those impacted.

andnthe new spending the gop seeks, is something the dems agreed to not long ago.

This is politics at its worst, both sides in Congress at their political worst, all exacerbated by the Trump factor. And regular people get hurt.

we all need to rethink the kind of people we want in DC. we need more regular people ( who actually work, build things, help people, and solve problems), folks who want to go, serve a term, and get the hell out of there.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

Bigger in scope
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Fixed it, as that's all the people affected by a shutdown really need to know.