Trump tweeted he will "Address the Nation

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Were his facts wrong? Did he say 90% of the heroin in the US comes through that border?

Yes most comes from Mexico but not in backpacks across the border, but even facts disproving his allegation would not be believed by the base; don’t confuse me with facts our minds are made up mentality continues.

Want to stop heroin, it’s not by building a wall, it’s by reducing the demand. For every horrific crime he highlighted, we could find tens of thousands of equally disturbing crimes committed by white citizens. Trump run on fear and division, he governs by the same MO and last night was just same old same old.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Yes most comes from Mexico but not in backpacks across the border, but even facts disproving his allegation would not be believed by the base; don’t confuse me with facts our minds are made up mentality continues.

Want to stop heroin, it’s not by building a wall, it’s by reducing the demand. For every horrific crime he highlighted, we could find tens of thousands of equally disturbing crimes committed by white citizens. Trump run on fear and division, he governs by the same MO and last night was just same old same old.
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"citizens"...key word


I'm scared...are you scared??? ...good grief...you crazy leftists keep talking yourselves into a tizzy....must be exhausting

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

For every horrific crime he highlighted, we could find tens of thousands of equally disturbing crimes committed by white citizens.
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BUT THE WHITE CITIZENS HAVE A RIGHT TO BE HERE.

God you are missing that point entirely. Obviously, more crime (in absolute numbers) is committed by citizens, because there are so many more citizens. But we know that Mexican gangs are using the open border to come in, and they are doing some horrific things. It's not worth trying to stop that?

And let me ask you this, as you're against the wall, but in favor of (I think) drones and cameras. If a camera spots a pack of MS13 members crossing the border 20 miles away from the nearest cops, how do you stop them from entering, exactly?

Cameras and drones might be great for spotting who is coming in, and counting them. How do things like cameras and drones stop these people from entering, if we're talking about 1,000 miles of border?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

I knew this speech would bring out the flakes,keep it coming guys.
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"he left out the fact republicans held both houses for 2 years until january and then once democrats took over the House ?? "

You are absolutely 100% correct. Trump campaigned on this issue, it wasa huge reason why he won the primary, and the GOP controlled congress for 2 years, and they did nothing. A lot of republican voters are ticked off. It won't make us vote for democrats, but we are mighty ticked off. You are absolutely 100% correct, it's sleazy for him to say that the dems are the only reason we don't have a wall. I don't know why they didn't do it when they could have.

"Fear fear fear"

A couple thousand murders? If his crime stats are accurate, don't places with high numbers of illegals, maybe have a legitimate concern? Just as it's wrong for Trump to refuse to accept some blame for not having the wall yet, it's equally wrong (in my opinion) for democrats and the media to say it's a manufactured crisis. The democrats passed some big bills in 2006 and 2013 to tackle immigration, so it seemed like they thought it was a crisis then.

Both sides are way more interested in using this issue as a club against their opponents, than they are in fixing it. This is a great example of why congress has a dismal approval rating, and they deserve it.

"Someone needs to tell Trump not everyone has 3 months worth of income in the bank... "

Did you say the same thing when Obama oversaw a shutdown? Be honest...

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I thought he made some good points (IF his stats are accurate, and I don't know if they are, Spence says they were all wrong, but as expected, doesn't provide better sources with less scary stats).

But it was still too Trump-like in my opinion, too divisive. I think he could have improved his image by saying that he could have done this while the GOP controlled congress, but he blew it.

Both sides have been saying this is a crisis (despite the fact that today dems say it's not a crisis, that's not what they said not long ago), both sides campaign on this issue, and both sides have had control of the entire federal government for two years and did nothing.

Now, as you said, the pundits all came out to howl at the moon as soon as he was done. Their response, was as predictable, dishonest, and politically divisive as his speech.

I would genuinely like to know if his statistics were correct.

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

BUT THE WHITE CITIZENS HAVE A RIGHT TO BE HERE.

God you are missing that point entirely. Obviously, more crime (in absolute numbers) is committed by citizens, because there are so many more citizens. But we know that Mexican gangs are using the open border to come in, and they are doing some horrific things. It's not worth trying to stop that?

And let me ask you this, as you're against the wall, but in favor of (I think) drones and cameras. If a camera spots a pack of MS13 members crossing the border 20 miles away from the nearest cops, how do you stop them from entering, exactly?

Cameras and drones might be great for spotting who is coming in, and counting them. How do things like cameras and drones stop these people from entering, if we're talking about 1,000 miles of border?

You're correct, total meltdown in progress

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You're correct, total meltdown in progress

Pete,you look in the mirror and see Jim.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You're correct, total meltdown in progress

It's a "meltdown", if I ask if his statistics are correct, and if I ask how cameras stop illegal migrants?