Obama, again with the cheap insults

[spence]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Spence, I know you will rarely answer guestions, but please tell me where you found this fact and it's source.

These people have been intolerant within themselves and others who don't believe the same as themselves
and at war with each other for thousands of years.
Educate me with your references and comparisons.

I don't think it's a simple answer, my take is an understanding based on a lot of reading. It would be easy to assemble data showing Muslims to be both tolerant and intolerant, as one could do for Christianity just as easily.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't think it's a simple answer, my take is an understanding based on a lot of reading. It would be easy to assemble data showing Muslims to be both tolerant and intolerant, as one could do for Christianity just as easily.

worst answer...or non-answer... ever

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't think it's a simple answer, my take is an understanding based on a lot of reading. It would be easy to assemble data showing Muslims to be both tolerant and intolerant, as one could do for Christianity just as easily.

Cute ... And you lumped in the Christian's too . Very Obama like 👍🏻
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by buckman

Cute ... And you lumped in the Christian's too . Very Obama like ����
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"showing Muslims to be both tolerant and intolerant, as one could do for Christianity just as easily"

Yep, naturally he has to throw in some moral relativism. Because Christians, in the world today, are blowing people up, stoning women, and slaughtering fellow Christians by the thousands, gassing each other, etc. Christians also want to eradicate the Jews, etc...

Can't make this up. I dare you to try.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Yep, naturally he has to throw in some moral relativism. Because Christians, in the world today, are blowing people up, stoning women, and slaughtering fellow Christians by the thousands, gassing each other, etc. Christians also want to eradicate the Jews, etc...

Can't make this up. I dare you to try.

The context for the discussion was about tolerance, not violence. When you look a the religions over time I don't think any one can claim the violence title either.

Violence tends to also be relative to politics.

You should read Karen Armstrong's "Fields of Blood."

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

The context for the discussion was about tolerance, not violence. When you look a the religions over time I don't think any one can claim the violence title either.

Violence tends to also be relative to politics.

You should read Karen Armstrong's "Fields of Blood."

"The context for the discussion was about tolerance, not violence"

Doesn't systemic violence against a targeted group, imply a lack of tolerance towards that group?

Spence, most Muslim nations are absolutely barbaric in their treatment of women, homosexuals, Jews, Christians, and drug addicts. Those are all groups that liberals sure claim to care a lof about (except Christians, of course, but we'll save that for later).


"When you look a the religions over time I don't think any one can claim the violence title either"

When you look at the last 100 years, I think there is a very, very clear winner in the "religious violence reality show challenge".

Do you really deny that? Honestly?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"The context for the discussion was about tolerance, not violence"

Doesn't systemic violence against a targeted group, imply a lack of tolerance towards that group?

That must be like when my Old Man would say "This is going to hurt me more than it hurts you" just before I got spanked.....

Then again I'm pretty sure I got that ass whooping because he wasn't going to tolerate the way I was behaving

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

That must be like when my Old Man would say "This is going to hurt me more than it hurts you" just before I got spanked.....

Then again I'm pretty sure I got that ass whooping because he wasn't going to tolerate the way I was behaving

True.

But I got spanked, and every time I got spanked, I absolutely had it coming. You spank your kid to teah them a lesson. Tough love is still love. Not the same as blowing him up because he doesn't want to wear his beard the way you command, or because he is willing to let his wife drive a car and learn to read.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

When you look at the last 100 years, I think there is a very, very clear winner in the "religious violence reality show challenge".

Do you really deny that? Honestly?

Is the root of the violence religion or politics? That's the question you should be asking.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Is the root of the violence religion or politics? That's the question you should be asking.

Boy, that's a real head-scratcher. Hmmm, let's see. Let me answer that question by asking you a quaetion. When the jihadists are about to slaughter their victims, or about to detonate a suicide vest, what do they cry out?

(1) Allahu Akhbar (God is great), or
(2) <insert name of any politician> is great?

Which is it?

Spence, just for laughs...if they aren't motivated by religion, but rather by politics, please tell us exactly which political ideology they are fighting for?

A terrorist is identified by th ecause he is killing for. Timothy McVeigh was Irish, that doesn't mean he was in the IRA. He was a political terrorist, an anti-government terrorist.

The jihadists are religious terrorists. That's the cause they are fighting for. If I am wrong, by all means, please tell me what they are fighting for? They want a world-wide secular parliamentary system? Are they all national socialists? No, I got it, they are all libertarians, they want everyone to be able to do whatever they want with no one else telling them what to do. That's it, isn't it?

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

Is the root of the violence religion or politics? That's the question you should be asking.

That's the question you would ask if you don't want it to be about religion . Funny how a lot of the stuff the GOP does in politics,is blamed on religion
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Is the root of the violence religion or politics? That's the question you should be asking.

the root of the violence is culture.... cultivated, shaped and defined by both religion and politics

http://www.politico.eu/article/molen...entrification/

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't think it's a simple answer, my take is an understanding based on a lot of reading. It would be easy to assemble data showing Muslims to be both tolerant and intolerant, as one could do for Christianity just as easily.

"I don't think it's a simple answer"

Then why, when you needed to defend Hilary's crazy comments, did you provide this simple answer..."Historically most Muslim nations have been as tolerant as anyone"

When you wanted to show that Hilary was correct, you sure made it sound simple.

The Muslims are tolerant. Tell that to the Jews and the homosexuals who live there. I guess you can't tell it to the homosexuals, as they might be extinct there by now, what with all the genocide tolerance and all.

"based on a lot of reading"

What did you read? The MSNBC guide of how to respond to thoughtful people?