Obama, again with the cheap insults

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Nebe

What does Paris have to do with the people of Syria and their uprising ?

You guys crack me up.
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“In fact, climate change is directly related to the growth of terrorism,” Bernie Sanders said during Saturday’s debate. “And if we do not get our act together and listen to what the scientists say you’re going to see countries all over the world — this is what the CIA says — they’re going to be struggling over limited amounts of water, limited amounts of land to grow their crops. And you’re going to see all kinds of international conflict.”

Bernie connected climate change to "terrorism." What does terrorism "have to do with the people of Syria and their uprising?"
Are the people of Syria terrorists? Are they "moderate" rebels? Are they "protesters" who've stepped it up a notch?

If they're terrorists, why does Obama want to help them? Does he want to help terrorists? Isn't the narrative that they're actually fighting the terrorists like ISIS?

This is confusing. Talk about "cracking me up."

The quote by Bernie talks about "the growth of terrorism" and "all kinds of international conflict." Seems like he is taking climate change growing terrorism beyond what's happening in Syria.

[Nebe]

So you guys think that without any doubt that climate change is not related to the fuels that ignite terrorism ?
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Nebe

So you guys think that without any doubt that climate change is not related to the fuels that ignite terrorism ?
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Climate change can be related to just about anything. It is even related to the expansion of human life. It can be the cause of human misery. Or can ignite growth of all the things which help human life to flourish. It can have a connection to every societal perspective, from good to bad, from constructive to destructive. But in most cases, it is peripheral to larger human perspectives and machinations, most of which would exist whether climate changed or not.

But climate change is inexorable. The idea that it can be maintained between some small parameters which will have no effect on humans is a pipe dream.

And to say that it has more than a usual peripheral effect on ideologies that are driven and exist whether climate change exists or not, places the cart before the horse and focuses on causes which, if they didn't exist, the ideology and its implementation, e.g. Islamic terrorism, would still exist and strive to reach its ideological goal.

The goal of Islamic terrorism is not connected to climate change, but it certainly can be used as a peripheral motivation to help it along if some useful idiots need it as motivation. Just as climate change can be used as a notion to persuade massive changes in societies, especially to transform individualistic social structures into collectivist ones.

[scottw]

climate change sounds like a religion

[spence]

Originally Posted by detbuch

That's why I have much less, if any, confidence that truly Muslim immigrants and their progeny who remain truly Muslim could embrace our constitutional principals of government. The basis, the foundation, the fundamental principle of Islam is the joining of politics and religion. For a true Muslim they are one and the same, and that juncture is not compatible with our foundational principles.

I think it ultimately comes down to what people want from life. Democracy, personal freedoms? I'd wager that there's a lot of similarities with Judeo Christian ethics at the individual level. Granted that Islam has a closer tie to politics than Christianity structurally, but this has also been bastardized by Cold War politics the past 60 years.

I also don't see much difference between a devout Muslim recognizing the Constitution as the basis for US government versus an evangelical Christian. I doubt those who can't deal with it are going to be banging down the door to immigrate any time soon.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I think it ultimately comes down to what people want from life. Democracy, personal freedoms? I'd wager that there's a lot of similarities with Judeo Christian ethics at the individual level. Granted that Islam has a closer tie to politics than Christianity structurally, but this has also been bastardized by Cold War politics the past 60 years.

I also don't see much difference between a devout Muslim recognizing the Constitution as the basis for US government versus an evangelical Christian. I doubt those who can't deal with it are going to be banging down the door to immigrate any time soon.

"I'd wager that there's a lot of similarities with Judeo Christian ethics at the individual level"

Wrong. I don't see Jews or Christians treating their women, or homosexuals, the way that Muslims do. And that's not just jihadists I'm talking about.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

I think it ultimately comes down to what people want from life.

That is ultimately obvious. But it is so fundamental that, as a general statement, it is misleading. The sameness in general implies similarity in the specific. But the specifics make all the difference. So the question is what does a true Muslim want from life? To conjure up an answer, one must first have an inkling of what it means to be a true Muslim.

Democracy, personal freedoms?

Democracy and personal freedoms are not automatically compatible. A defined and limited democracy which is constrained from imposing law on all "persons" simply by the will of a majority, or by the whim of centralized power, is required in order to preserve personal freedoms. The definition of such a democracy must limit it to a minimum of powers which subjugate it to the sovereign "persons." A good example would be the U.S. Constitution--as written and intended.

I'd wager that there's a lot of similarities with Judeo Christian ethics at the individual level.

A lot? Maybe in generalized characterizations of individual human behavior and desire--the coming down to what people want paradigm. But in the specifics within those characterizations, there is a world of difference between Judeo Christian ethics and Islamic ethics. That is, if we are speaking of true Christians and true Muslims.

Granted that Islam has a closer tie to politics than Christianity structurally,

Islam doesn't merely have a "closer tie" to politics, it IS politics. It is "structurally" composed as a theocratic system of government. The "religion" and the "government" are one and the same. There is no separation. There is no secular component to Islamic law. If we are speaking of true Islam.

True Christianity is not "structurally" concerned with the politics of this world. It distances itself from the realm of the State (that which is Caesar's) and enters into the spiritual realm of the "person." The connection, if you care to call it political, is directly between the person and God (that which is God's). If we are speaking of true Christianity.

but this has also been bastardized by Cold War politics the past 60 years.

Both religions have been bastardized in the course of their existence. There have been periods where Christianity was bastardized into an arm of the State. And periods in certain places where Islam was "structured" into a more tolerant quasi-secular theocracy. But reform for each has been a return to fundamentals. And, though bastardization began to make the religions a bit more similar in "structure," they maintained fundamental differences. And reformation to original "structure" allows Christianity to be perfectly compatible to our Constitution. Fundamental, true, Islam doesn't fit. It doesn't allow for sovereign individuals, or individual rights, or personal freedom . . . etc.

I also don't see much difference between a devout Muslim recognizing the Constitution as the basis for US government versus an evangelical Christian.

Bless you Spence . . . always the nice guy, suppressing any natural inclination to hate or discriminate (or not having such inclinations) . . . always wanting to make us all alike, refusing to see any differences which might run counter to your niceness . . . and ever ready to twist and couch your language in irrelevant truths and in such a way as to make be what isn't.

That you don't see "much" (I guess "some" but not important) difference between a devout Muslim and an evangelical Christian recognizing the Constitution as the basis for US government is neither here nor there in regard to their view and allegiance to that Constitution. Again, you state the obvious similarity implying that there are no significant differences.

Do you see much of a difference between an anarchist, or a communist, or a Nazi, recognizing the Constitution as the basis for the U.S. government versus an evangelical Christian? What? . . . should a communist see the Communist Manifesto as the basis for U.S. government? Seeing as how the Constitution IS the basis for U.S. government one would have to be blind (or a Progressive) not to see that.

It is absolutely possible, probable, and true that a Christian can not only see that, but could in his mind, heart, and soul abide by and be faithful to the Constitution. Communists, Nazis, anarchists, Socialists, true Muslims, (and Progressives) can not in their mind, heart, and soul (if they have one) abide by and be faithful to the Constitution.

I doubt those who can't deal with it are going to be banging down the door to immigrate any time soon.

They're already here--including communists, Nazi's, anarchists, Socialists, true Muslims as well as bastardized ones (and Progressives).

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I doubt those who can't deal with it are going to be banging down the door to immigrate any time soon.

Didn't the 09/11 hijackers, and the brothers who planned the Boston Marathon attack, come here legally, and subsequently killed Americans because they hate our way of life?

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Didn't the 09/11 hijackers, and the brothers who planned the Boston Marathon attack, come here legally, and subsequently killed Americans because they hate our way of life?

Well according to the freelance writer/ film maker Bernie's thinking, he must of thought they
came to make a statement that the runners were using up too much 02 and exhaling too much carbon dioxide.
Brilliant man, way ahead of his time. Eletist with 3 years of college at Brooklyn College and 1 year at Chicago.
This is who we want to be our Commander in Chief??