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11-22-2015, 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
Tolerance is relative. Historically most Muslim nations have been as tolerant as anyone,.
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Spence, I know you will rarely answer guestions, but please tell me where you found this fact and it's source.
These people have been intolerant within themselves and others who don't believe the same as themselves
and at war with each other for thousands of years.
Educate me with your references and comparisons.
Last edited by justplugit; 11-22-2015 at 03:28 PM..
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11-22-2015, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by justplugit
Spence, I know you will rarely answer guestions, but please tell me where you found this fact and it's source.
These people have been intolerant within themselves and others who don't believe the same as themselves
and at war with each other for thousands of years.
Educate me with your references and comparisons.
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I don't think it's a simple answer, my take is an understanding based on a lot of reading. It would be easy to assemble data showing Muslims to be both tolerant and intolerant, as one could do for Christianity just as easily.
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11-22-2015, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
I don't think it's a simple answer, my take is an understanding based on a lot of reading. It would be easy to assemble data showing Muslims to be both tolerant and intolerant, as one could do for Christianity just as easily.
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worst answer...or non-answer... ever 
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11-22-2015, 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
I don't think it's a simple answer, my take is an understanding based on a lot of reading. It would be easy to assemble data showing Muslims to be both tolerant and intolerant, as one could do for Christianity just as easily.
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Cute ... And you lumped in the Christian's too . Very Obama like 👍🏻
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11-23-2015, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by buckman
Cute ... And you lumped in the Christian's too . Very Obama like
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"showing Muslims to be both tolerant and intolerant, as one could do for Christianity just as easily"
Yep, naturally he has to throw in some moral relativism. Because Christians, in the world today, are blowing people up, stoning women, and slaughtering fellow Christians by the thousands, gassing each other, etc. Christians also want to eradicate the Jews, etc...
Can't make this up. I dare you to try.
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11-23-2015, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
Yep, naturally he has to throw in some moral relativism. Because Christians, in the world today, are blowing people up, stoning women, and slaughtering fellow Christians by the thousands, gassing each other, etc. Christians also want to eradicate the Jews, etc...
Can't make this up. I dare you to try.
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The context for the discussion was about tolerance, not violence. When you look a the religions over time I don't think any one can claim the violence title either.
Violence tends to also be relative to politics.
You should read Karen Armstrong's "Fields of Blood."
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11-23-2015, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by spence
The context for the discussion was about tolerance, not violence. When you look a the religions over time I don't think any one can claim the violence title either.
Violence tends to also be relative to politics.
You should read Karen Armstrong's "Fields of Blood."
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"The context for the discussion was about tolerance, not violence"
Doesn't systemic violence against a targeted group, imply a lack of tolerance towards that group?
Spence, most Muslim nations are absolutely barbaric in their treatment of women, homosexuals, Jews, Christians, and drug addicts. Those are all groups that liberals sure claim to care a lof about (except Christians, of course, but we'll save that for later).
"When you look a the religions over time I don't think any one can claim the violence title either"
When you look at the last 100 years, I think there is a very, very clear winner in the "religious violence reality show challenge".
Do you really deny that? Honestly?
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11-23-2015, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
"The context for the discussion was about tolerance, not violence"
Doesn't systemic violence against a targeted group, imply a lack of tolerance towards that group?
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That must be like when my Old Man would say "This is going to hurt me more than it hurts you" just before I got spanked.....
Then again I'm pretty sure I got that ass whooping because he wasn't going to tolerate the way I was behaving 
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11-23-2015, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
When you look at the last 100 years, I think there is a very, very clear winner in the "religious violence reality show challenge".
Do you really deny that? Honestly?
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Is the root of the violence religion or politics? That's the question you should be asking.
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11-23-2015, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by spence
I don't think it's a simple answer, my take is an understanding based on a lot of reading. It would be easy to assemble data showing Muslims to be both tolerant and intolerant, as one could do for Christianity just as easily.
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"I don't think it's a simple answer"
Then why, when you needed to defend Hilary's crazy comments, did you provide this simple answer..."Historically most Muslim nations have been as tolerant as anyone"
When you wanted to show that Hilary was correct, you sure made it sound simple.
The Muslims are tolerant. Tell that to the Jews and the homosexuals who live there. I guess you can't tell it to the homosexuals, as they might be extinct there by now, what with all the genocide tolerance and all.
"based on a lot of reading"
What did you read? The MSNBC guide of how to respond to thoughtful people?
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