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Old 09-13-2015, 08:09 PM   #1
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I thougt he was winning the.... "Gold Flying Fickle Finger of Fate award ."....how many remember that?.........

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Old 09-14-2015, 06:53 PM   #2
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I thougt he was winning the.... "Gold Flying Fickle Finger of Fate award ."....how many remember that?.........
I Do.....ugh....I'm officially old.

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Old 09-15-2015, 10:49 AM   #3
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Are you talking about "peace" ?
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Peace? Where? We are closer to real war today then any time since the 1980s.

The wars of the last 30 years? Puhleaze. Those are mere skirmishes, dust ups, and bad times. No disrespect whatsoever to those that have done their duty and fought in some of the most challenging times since Vietnam.

No, today, we are closer to a massive global war at any time since the 1980s, except things are less table than in the 1980s, and in many ways reminiscent in the posturing & turmoil of the 1910s and 1930s.

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Old 09-15-2015, 11:19 AM   #4
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Peace? Where? We are closer to real war today then any time since the 1980s.
But how much of this is really mega-trends shifting geopolitics rather than US policy?

A huge problem here is we started a war without a game plan for when the big gears started to turn.
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But how much of this is really mega-trends shifting geopolitics rather than US policy?

A huge problem here is we started a war without a game plan for when the big gears started to turn.
Bush eventually (too late, but better than never) did have a plan. It was called The Surge. It was an astonishing, spectacular, success. Listen to Obama's own remarks about the Iraq he inherited.

So your synopsis is wrong. The problem is that Obama demolished that plan by pulling out, and by pulling out of Libya and of not doing anything in Syria.
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So your synopsis is wrong. The problem is that Obama demolished that plan by pulling out, and by pulling out of Libya and of not doing anything in Syria.
The Surge undoubtedly worked in the short-term. Do you feel the military could have sustained that level of effort there, and for how long? Would that make Iraq any more stable? Add to that sending ground-forces en masse to Libya and Syria? You certainly had your Neo-Con Wheaties this morning!

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The Surge undoubtedly worked in the short-term. Do you feel the military could have sustained that level of effort there, and for how long? Would that make Iraq any more stable? Add to that sending ground-forces en masse to Libya and Syria? You certainly had your Neo-Con Wheaties this morning!
"The Surge undoubtedly worked in the short-term"

It worked until Obama fu**ed it all up by withdrawing. Yes or no?

"Do you feel the military could have sustained that level of effort there, and for how long?"

Yes. You leave a residual force to enforce stability until the Iraqia are sufficiently able to take care of themselves. What you don't do, is tell the enemy, especially this enemy, exactly when you are planning on leaving.

"Would that make Iraq any more stable? "

Why, specifically, would you doubt that? It was stable until we withdrew. So why would you presume that the stability would not have lasted if we were still there? Based on what? The empirical evidence suggests that as long as we were there, things were stable.

"Add to that sending ground-forces en masse to Libya and Syria?"

If the military isn't equipped to deal with the current state of the world, whose fault is that? I'd also disagree that we were in Libya and Syria "en masse".

"You certainly had your Neo-Con Wheaties this morning"

What I have this morning, is common sense and the ability to process what's going on right in front of my face. If liberals need special dietary supplements to be able to pull that off, maybe that says more about your side than it says about my side. The fact that I wish we had prevented the rise of ISIS when it was within our grasp, makes me a neocon? In other words, you conclude it's a character flaw to regret the loss of the thousands of victims of ISIS. Very compassionate of you.
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Bush eventually (too late, but better than never) did have a plan. It was called The Surge. It was an astonishing, spectacular, success. Listen to Obama's own remarks about the Iraq he inherited.

So your synopsis is wrong. The problem is that Obama demolished that plan by pulling out, and by pulling out of Libya and of not doing anything in Syria.
I mean strategically they had no plan beyond removing Saddam. Not for Iraq or for the region.

The Surge was a tactic, it was a response to the situation at a point in time.
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Peace? Where? We are closer to real war today then any time since the 1980s.

The wars of the last 30 years? Puhleaze. Those are mere skirmishes, dust ups, and bad times. No disrespect whatsoever to those that have done their duty and fought in some of the most challenging times since Vietnam.

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