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02-21-2022, 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
You and Fiona have a lot in common.
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Thank you
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02-21-2022, 11:01 AM
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Yup, you're both rabid anti-Trumpers and would tell any lie to destroy him. She was "central to both spreading the Steele Dossier and ginning up the first Trump impeachment"--one a hoax and the other just usual dirty politics. Richard Grenell said "DC newsrooms protected Fiona Hill and allowed her to tell lies to further her career. She’ll say anything to climb the ladder. I worked closely with her. She is a serial liar." |
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02-21-2022, 12:50 PM
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Why is it that almost exclusively if you look at a Trump political operative, Grenell for example, you find connections to Eastern European Oligarchs?
And they fail to comply with FARA requirements.
Just like Manafort and Gates, we still don’t know what Manafort was hiding.
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02-21-2022, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Why is it that almost exclusively if you look at a Trump political operative, Grenell for example, you find connections to Eastern European Oligarchs?
And they fail to comply with FARA requirements.
Just like Manafort and Gates, we still don’t know what Manafort was hiding.
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why do you "almost exclusively" resort to innuendo? |
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02-21-2022, 01:39 PM
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The Kremlin says President Putin has decided to recognise the independence of two breakaway areas of Ukraine controlled by Russian-backed separatists.
Yep But Biden Nato and the world is fear mongering
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02-21-2022, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
The Kremlin says President Putin has decided to recognise the independence of two breakaway areas of Ukraine controlled by Russian-backed separatists.
Yep But Biden Nato and the world is fear mongering
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See post #24 of this thread. |
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02-21-2022, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
why do you "almost exclusively" resort to innuendo?
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No, Manafort and Gates both were paid by Deripaska and Deripaska loaned Manafort 10M.
How did Manafort repay that?
Grenell was paid by Vladimir Plahotniuc, a sanctioned Oligarch.
As Putin said Americans are easy, I can buy all I need and he did.
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02-21-2022, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
No, Manafort and Gates both were paid by Deripaska and Deripaska loaned Manafort 10M.
How did Manafort repay that?
Grenell was paid by Vladimir Plahotniuc, a sanctioned Oligarch.
As Putin said Americans are easy, I can buy all I need and he did.
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What was illegal? |
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02-21-2022, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
What was illegal?
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Both Manafort and Gates were convicted.
What did Manafort not talk about?
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02-21-2022, 03:22 PM
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Meanwhile the dictator that Trump admired, is annexing portions of Ukraine.
Funny how the Devin Nunes lead Trump social media app times out perfectly with Putin potentially invading Ukraine. It’s almost like they all share the same info. 
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02-21-2022, 03:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete F.
Meanwhile the dictator that Trump admired, is annexing portions of Ukraine.
Funny how the Devin Nunes lead Trump social media app times out perfectly with Putin potentially invading Ukraine. It’s almost like they all share the same info.
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More innuendo? |
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02-21-2022, 04:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by detbuch
More innuendo?
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So what info did Trump remove from the White House and bring to the very secure Mar a Lago?
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Lets Go Darwin
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02-21-2022, 07:52 PM
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No need to watch Putin. Tucker Carlson will translate it all into Republican tonight.
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02-21-2022, 09:45 PM
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As Putin invades, his spokesperson issued a statement: “Ukraine is not even a democracy .. Ukraine is a corrupt, Eastern European autocracy that has spent millions of dollars lobbying politicians in Washington and made the Biden family rich.”
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02-21-2022, 09:55 PM
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It's just so obvious to anyone paying attention. Putin was getting what he wanted from Trump and expecting even more. For example, last night on Russia's state TV they acknowledged: "Trump gave us a 4-year reprieve."
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02-21-2022, 10:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete F.
It's just so obvious to anyone paying attention. Putin was getting what he wanted from Trump and expecting even more. For example, last night on Russia's state TV they acknowledged: "Trump gave us a 4-year reprieve."
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It's just so obvious to anyone paying attention, Russia did not invade Ukraine while Trump was POTUS. |
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02-22-2022, 03:05 AM
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Russia continues to occupy Ukraine
Trump was Putin's fan and beneficiary. Putin was never our good friend.
Words matter. It's a Putin crisis, not a Ukraine crisis. There are no separatists; they are Russian occupation forces. There is no Russian president; there is a dictator with nukes who wants the world to dance to his tune. Words matter, but they have never stopped a dictator.
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02-22-2022, 04:11 AM
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I wonder if wayne is following putin on truth social...I'm sure we'll get updates  |
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02-22-2022, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
Russia continues to occupy Ukraine
Trump was Putin's fan and beneficiary. Putin was never our good friend.
Words matter. It's a Putin crisis, not a Ukraine crisis. There are no separatists; they are Russian occupation forces. There is no Russian president; there is a dictator with nukes who wants the world to dance to his tune. Words matter, but they have never stopped a dictator.
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again, what does it mean that Putin didnt do this during Trump’s 4 years, and he started moving his pieces so early into the Biden administration?
isn’t it fair to say that Putin senses a weakness now, that he didn’t think was there before?
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02-22-2022, 06:34 AM
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Robert Gates, Obama’s secretary of defense:
“Biden has been wrong on just about every foreign policy and national security issue, over the last four decades.”
Even before he had dementia, he couldn’t get these things right.
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02-22-2022, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
“Biden has been wrong on just about every foreign policy and national security issue, over the last four decades.”
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and still going strong....hey, how about kamala?...yikes......  ...maybe send hillary with the reset button again.... |
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02-22-2022, 07:17 AM
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Stiff sanctions should have been put in place weeks ago, it’s way past the point diplomacy will work, it’s just a matter of time now.
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02-22-2022, 07:53 AM
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Trump withholding support for Ukraine in his lame attempt to get dirt on Biden and his outstanding job at dividing Americans and weakening NATO was a gift to Putin, leaving him this military option as his only way to take back Ukraine before they can join nato.
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02-22-2022, 07:55 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Got Stripers
Trump withholding support for Ukraine in his lame attempt to get dirt on Biden and his outstanding job at dividing Americans and weakening NATO was a gift to Putin, leaving him this military option as his only way to take back Ukraine before they can join nato.
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time to stop blaming trump ...brandon is effing everything up now... |
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02-22-2022, 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by scottw
time to stop blaming trump ...brandon is effing everything up now...
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Trump helped Putin and harmed Ukraine and like everything else he touched left it to the next administration to clean up, but I agree Biden should have pulled the trigger on stiff sanctions as soon as it became apparent what was coming. |
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02-22-2022, 08:47 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Got Stripers
Trump ........ and his outstanding job at dividing Americans
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Trump didn't divide Americans, Americans divided Americans. All he was, was a catalyst that brought people's ugliness to the surface (both sides). People are responsible for their own actions on how they treated people, not the Orange Man. |
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02-22-2022, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
Trump didn't divide Americans, Americans divided Americans. All he was, was a catalyst that brought people's ugliness to the surface (both sides). People are responsible for their own actions on how they treated people, not the Orange Man.
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And he didn't weaken Ukraine by "withholding" support. Ukraine got the support, and more than Obama gave. No wonder they keep getting it wrong, they keep believing their own lies. |
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02-22-2022, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by detbuch
And he didn't weaken Ukraine by "withholding" support. Ukraine got the support, and more than Obama gave. No wonder they keep getting it wrong, they keep believing their own lies.
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Again another captain obvious, I'm well aware Trump eventually released what CONGRESS approved, even though he had no right to hold it up for his little political Rudy driven craziness about getting Ukraine to help dig up dirt, but by holding it up he was given Putin a good laugh that his browmance with Trump might bear fruit. |
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02-22-2022, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers
his browmance with Trump
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he admired his eyebrows? |
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02-22-2022, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers
Again another captain obvious, I'm well aware Trump eventually released what CONGRESS approved, even though he had no right to hold it up for his little political Rudy driven craziness about getting Ukraine to help dig up dirt, but by holding it up he was given Putin a good laugh that his browmance with Trump might bear fruit.
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Now I understand . . . you didn't mean that Trump weakened Ukraine, but that he gave Putin a good laugh . . . maybe that's why Putin didn't invade Ukraine then, because he was having too good a time laughing. Maybe Biden should have given Putin a good laugh too, so he would 't invade Ukraine. |
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