Newt surging in SC

[mekcotuit]

To blame the media for leaving your first wife when she got cancer or leaving your second wife when she got M.S. is no different that blaming the victim of a rape. Newt needs to own his history and realize his decisions were not compatible with qualities the American people seek in their leader.

[Piscator]

Originally Posted by mekcotuit

To blame the media for leaving your first wife when she got cancer or leaving your second wife when she got M.S. is no different that blaming the victim of a rape. Newt needs to own his history and realize his decisions were not compatible with qualities the American people seek in their leader.

I agree that he needs to own his history, my question is, what qualities do the American people seek in their leader?

[spence]

Originally Posted by mekcotuit

Newt needs to own his history and realize his decisions were not compatible with qualities the American people seek in their leader.

I think that's the big point his ex wife was trying to make...that Newt thinks what he does and what he says shouldn't have anything to do with one another. Pretty stupid to open with a question about his ex, he obviously was expecting it and had a prepared response.

Newt's doing well because he's down south, picked up some endorsements and Romney is making mistakes. Other than his opening retort his debate performance wasn't his best.

As undesirable a candidate Romney is, he does appear to be the establishment's choice.

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

IAs undesirable a candidate Romney is, he does appear to be the establishment's choice.

-spence

I would say "only option" rather than choice.
And to look at some recent history - the last "establishment" choices where:
John McCain
GWB
Bob Dole

Yawn.........no one was excited about any of these candidates. could be the end of the repubs......

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

I would say "only option" rather than choice.
And to look at some recent history - the last "establishment" choices where:
John McCain
GWB
Bob Dole

Yawn.........no one was excited about any of these candidates. could be the end of the repubs......

Haven't We Lived Through This Primary Before?


I'm thinking of a Republican primary. It starts with a candidate (John McCain/Mitt Romney) who ran once before, came in second place, and won over the party's elite class without winning over its base. Other candidates, understandably unwilling to accept this, line up: An under-funded social conservative (Mike Huckabee/Rick Santorum), an elder statesman who's walked to the altar three times (Rudy Giuliani/Newt Gingrich), a libertarian who wants to bring back the gold standard (Ron Paul/Ron Paul).

The conservative base is displeased. In the year before the primary, it pines for a perfect candidate. At the end of summer, on (September 5/August 13), it gets him: (Fred Thompson/Rick Perry). The dream candidate immediately rises to the top of national polls, but collapses after lazy, distant* debate performances. When the primaries arrive, he's in single digits and reduced to attacking the front-runners. But in Iowa, he does just well enough to justify staying in the race.

The social conservative (wins/almost wins, depending on what math you believe) Iowa. Flush with victory, eager to prove himself in all battlegrounds, he spends most of the next week in New Hampshire. But the surge can only take him from the margin of error to (13/9) percent of the vote. The old dream candidate, now a national laughingstock only known for a debate moment ("I'm not doing any hand shows"/"Oops") has already moved on to South Carolina. He flies to New Hampshire just to participate in a debate, deeply annoying the supporters of (Ron Paul/Buddy Roemer), whose candidate had worked harder there. He polls a pathetic 1 percent, but stays in the race. The field is crowded enough that a horrified base sees how the front-runner, who's won the endorsement of (Lindsey Graham/Nikki Haley), can win South Carolina with a plurality of the vote.

The Republican base looks at the wreckage and shudders. It can never allow this to happen ever again.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

I would say "only option" rather than choice.
And to look at some recent history - the last "establishment" choices where:
John McCain
GWB
Bob Dole

Yawn.........no one was excited about any of these candidates. could be the end of the repubs......

perspective..........

Obama ...................... Romney, Gingrich, Paul, Santorum
Obama .................... John McCain
Kerry ..................... GWB
Gore .................... GWB
Clinton ..................... Bob Dole
Clinton ..................... GHWB
Dukakis ........................ GHWB
Mondale ...................... Reagan
Carter .................... Reagan

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

when I look at the list and ask who is/was more likely to carry out the oath...it's pretty easy

funny how frequently Detbuch brings up this mythical document and how so many here pretend as though it doesn't exist ..........

[justplugit]

[QUOTE=scottw;916064]perspective..........

Obama ...................... Romney, Gingrich, Paul, Santorum
Obama .................... John McCain
Kerry ..................... GWB
Gore .................... GWB
Clinton ..................... Bob Dole
Clinton ..................... GHWB
Dukakis ........................ GHWB
Mondale ...................... Reagan
Carter .................... Reagan

[QUOTE]

Kerry,Gore, Dukakis, Mondale, Carter says it all.
LOL, Thanks for the boring memories.

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

when I look at the list and ask who is/was more likely to carry out the oath...it's pretty easy

So you're saying that massive spending, tax increases, health care mandates, elective war, eroded rights to privacy etc...

You think they've done a good job?

If the argument is who's done a better job of upholding the Constitution I think you'll find it's a draw.

-spence

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

So you're saying that massive spending, tax increases, health care mandates, elective war, eroded rights to privacy etc...

You think they've done a good job?

If the argument is who's done a better job of upholding the Constitution I think you'll find it's a draw.

-spence

Though they all have, Presidents, Representatives, and Judges, acted outside of their Constitutional bounds, I don't think "it's a draw." The progressives (including progressive Republicans) have outscored the conservatives by quite a margin. And what the progressives tend to do is raise the bar of unconstitutinalism by creating previously non-existing methods of doing what is not constitutionally granted. Which, in turn, paves the way for all that succeed them to use the new powers to "rewrite" the Constitution.

Do you approve of this way to make the Constitution a "living" document? I recall you stating about as much, that it must change with the times. I thought it curious that you were more fervid over following the letter of the U.N. Convention on torture than on following the letter of the Constitution. And that you are more concerned about how we appear to the world when a handful of soldiers occaisonally act stupid than when our political leaders perpetually trash our constitutional rules.

You have mentioned a few times that what is needed to set the ship of state right is only some structural adjustment. Could you be more specific? What structure needs to be created or changed?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

So you're saying that massive spending, tax increases, health care mandates, elective war, eroded rights to privacy etc...

You think they've done a good job?

If the argument is who's done a better job of upholding the Constitution I think you'll find it's a draw.

-spence

yes, not even close.....Spence, are you looking at the Negative Liberties Constitution when you view the list or the Positive Liberties Constitution?...because I can see where you might be confused regarding who has done a good job

[MotoXcowboy]

Newt Gingrich has had a long love affair with the anti-gun crowd.

Newt Gingrich on Guns: A Mixed Record - Gun Owners Of America

[spence]

There's what they say and what they do.

Originally Posted by scottw

yes, not even close.....Spence, are you looking at the Negative Liberties Constitution when you view the list or the Positive Liberties Constitution?...because I can see where you might be confused regarding who has done a good job

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[Raven]

Originally Posted by mekcotuit

Newt needs to own his history and realize his decisions were not compatible with qualities the American people seek in their leader.

while that might be a true statement ....I'd take four years of Newt than four more years of Barak any day...

or whom ever, even Elmer Fudd would be Better than that looser.