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01-21-2012, 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY
I would say "only option" rather than choice.
And to look at some recent history - the last "establishment" choices where:
John McCain
GWB
Bob Dole
Yawn.........no one was excited about any of these candidates. could be the end of the repubs......
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perspective..........
Obama ...................... Romney, Gingrich, Paul, Santorum
Obama .................... John McCain
Kerry ..................... GWB
Gore .................... GWB
Clinton ..................... Bob Dole
Clinton ..................... GHWB
Dukakis ........................ GHWB
Mondale ...................... Reagan
Carter .................... Reagan
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
when I look at the list and ask who is/was more likely to carry out the oath...it's pretty easy
funny how frequently Detbuch brings up this mythical document and how so many here pretend as though it doesn't exist ..........
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01-21-2012, 10:05 AM
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[QUOTE=scottw;916064]perspective..........
Obama ...................... Romney, Gingrich, Paul, Santorum
Obama .................... John McCain
Kerry ..................... GWB
Gore .................... GWB
Clinton ..................... Bob Dole
Clinton ..................... GHWB
Dukakis ........................ GHWB
Mondale ...................... Reagan
Carter .................... Reagan
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Kerry,Gore, Dukakis, Mondale, Carter says it all.
LOL, Thanks for the boring memories. 
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01-21-2012, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by scottw
when I look at the list and ask who is/was more likely to carry out the oath...it's pretty easy 
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So you're saying that massive spending, tax increases, health care mandates, elective war, eroded rights to privacy etc...
You think they've done a good job?
If the argument is who's done a better job of upholding the Constitution I think you'll find it's a draw.
-spence
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01-21-2012, 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
So you're saying that massive spending, tax increases, health care mandates, elective war, eroded rights to privacy etc...
You think they've done a good job?
If the argument is who's done a better job of upholding the Constitution I think you'll find it's a draw.
-spence
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Though they all have, Presidents, Representatives, and Judges, acted outside of their Constitutional bounds, I don't think "it's a draw." The progressives (including progressive Republicans) have outscored the conservatives by quite a margin. And what the progressives tend to do is raise the bar of unconstitutinalism by creating previously non-existing methods of doing what is not constitutionally granted. Which, in turn, paves the way for all that succeed them to use the new powers to "rewrite" the Constitution.
Do you approve of this way to make the Constitution a "living" document? I recall you stating about as much, that it must change with the times. I thought it curious that you were more fervid over following the letter of the U.N. Convention on torture than on following the letter of the Constitution. And that you are more concerned about how we appear to the world when a handful of soldiers occaisonally act stupid than when our political leaders perpetually trash our constitutional rules.
You have mentioned a few times that what is needed to set the ship of state right is only some structural adjustment. Could you be more specific? What structure needs to be created or changed?
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01-22-2012, 05:25 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spence
So you're saying that massive spending, tax increases, health care mandates, elective war, eroded rights to privacy etc...
You think they've done a good job?
If the argument is who's done a better job of upholding the Constitution I think you'll find it's a draw.
-spence
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yes, not even close.....Spence, are you looking at the Negative Liberties Constitution when you view the list or the Positive Liberties Constitution?...because I can see where you might be confused regarding who has done a good job 
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01-22-2012, 03:17 PM
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Don't worry, I'm sure he's updated all those beliefs to be more marketable.
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Originally Posted by MotoXcowboy
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01-22-2012, 03:16 PM
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There's what they say and what they do.
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Originally Posted by scottw
yes, not even close.....Spence, are you looking at the Negative Liberties Constitution when you view the list or the Positive Liberties Constitution?...because I can see where you might be confused regarding who has done a good job 
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