New Libya thread....

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

A couple dozen trained security forces could easily, very easily, have turned this into a turkey shoot for the Americans.

Perhaps, but I don't believe there was ever a request for this. The only I'm aware of was to extend a 16 member security team based in Tripoli. At best this may have added one or two members to the team in Benghazi I'd assume with only light arms.

With your field experience do you think this would have made a substantial difference against a much larger force (estimated at 125 men) with heavier weapons in an unhardened building?

Obama has said it was a screw up, but there's a big difference between a screw up and a cover up.

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Perhaps, but I don't believe
The only I'm aware of
I'd assume

Obama has said it was a screw up, but there's a big difference between a screw up and a cover up.

-spence

the State Dept screwed up, the Obama Admin has been covering up for political reasons and you just keep making it up as you go along

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

the State Dept screwed up, the Obama Admin has been covering up for political reasons and you just keep making it up as you go along

Ok, I think you should try 4:1 now.

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Ok, I think you should try 4:1 now.

-spence

genius.......Bidenesque

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Perhaps, but I don't believe there was ever a request for this. The only I'm aware of was to extend a 16 member security team based in Tripoli. At best this may have added one or two members to the team in Benghazi I'd assume with only light arms.

With your field experience do you think this would have made a substantial difference against a much larger force (estimated at 125 men) with heavier weapons in an unhardened building?

Obama has said it was a screw up, but there's a big difference between a screw up and a cover up.

-spence

Spence, the guy in charge of state department security in the Mideast, said that 2 teams (either 12 or 14 guys each) were removed from the Bengazi embassy, AGAINST HIS WISHES.

24 extra trained Americans, compared to the 2 SEALs who were there?

I'm not into predicting things on a 'what if' basis. But there is an enormous difference between 2 defenders and 26 defenders.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Apparently the CIA couldn't let go of the 'Movie' either.

"WASHINGTON—President Barack Obama was told in his daily intelligence briefing for more than a week after the consulate siege in Benghazi that the assault grew out of a spontaneous protest, despite conflicting reports from witnesses and other sources that began to cast doubt on the accuracy of that assessment almost from the start. New details about the contents of the President's Daily Brief, which haven't been reported previously, show that the Central Intelligence Agency didn't adjust the classified assessment until Sept. 22, fueling tensions between the administration and the agency. "
Intelligence Stressed Libya Protest Scenario - WSJ.com


This doesn't change the debate about security, which may be a fair argument, but does give some context to the 'cover-up'....

[buckman]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Apparently the CIA couldn't let go of the 'Movie' either.

"WASHINGTON—President Barack Obama was told in his daily intelligence briefing for more than a week after the consulate siege in Benghazi that the assault grew out of a spontaneous protest, despite conflicting reports from witnesses and other sources that began to cast doubt on the accuracy of that assessment almost from the start. New details about the contents of the President's Daily Brief, which haven't been reported previously, show that the Central Intelligence Agency didn't adjust the classified assessment until Sept. 22, fueling tensions between the administration and the agency. "
Intelligence Stressed Libya Protest Scenario - WSJ.com


This doesn't change the debate about security, which may be a fair argument, but does give some context to the 'cover-up'....

Pathetic . Director Petraeus should resign
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Spence, the guy in charge of state department security in the Mideast, said that 2 teams (either 12 or 14 guys each) were removed from the Bengazi embassy, AGAINST HIS WISHES.

24 extra trained Americans, compared to the 2 SEALs who were there?

I'm not into predicting things on a 'what if' basis. But there is an enormous difference between 2 defenders and 26 defenders.

The embassy is in Tripoli where the security teams are stationed. I believe it was one team of 16.

Also, the security team in Benghazi had more that 2 agents.

There are detailed accounts online.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

The embassy is in Tripoli where the security teams are stationed. I believe it was one team of 16.

Also, the security team in Benghazi had more that 2 agents.

There are detailed accounts online.
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Yes there are. Here's one.

Congress to probe security flaws for Libya diplomats - CBS News

Lt Colonel Wood is in charge of embassy security in that area. A total of 22 special forces security personal were removed from the embassy in August, despite the fact that Wood asked for "more" security, not "less".

"We tried to illustrate...to show them how dangerous and how volatile and just unpredictable that whole environment was over there. So to decrease security in the face of that really is... it's just unbelievable," Wood said."

Sorry Spence. Someone really screwed this up, and that screw up quite possibly resulted in the deaths of 4 superb Americans. Worse, your hero went to great lengths to portray this incident as something other than what it was, to minimize how incompetent he would look. Obama likley isn't personally responsible for the lack of security, but he is 100% responsible for the lies that followed.

Spin that away, Spence.