Obama's Healthcare

[RIJIMMY]

of course you ignored Obamas promises. Why the costs are rising is irrelevant. Obama promised they would decline, they have not and will not.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

of course you ignored Obamas promises. Why the costs are rising is irrelevant. Obama promised they would decline, they have not and will not.

I haven't ignored that Jimmy, everything I have posted is relevant to the question of the legitimacy of the article. I don't know specifically what his claims were, but I will look into it. I believe it center more on controlling costs, not that they will be lower than they are today. I don't know that for sure and it is beside the point.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

I don't know specifically what his claims were, but I will look into it. I believe it center more on controlling costs, not that they will be lower than they are today. I don't know that for sure and it is beside the point.

Zimmy, Obama said costs would decrease. I have never, ever, heard anyone deny that Obama claimed this.

"http://www.factcheck.org/2008/06/obamas-inflated-health-savings/"

"■Obama says he’ll "lower premiums by up to $2,500 for a typical family per year”"

OK, how many fishermen on here are paying $2500 less a year for health insurance, thanks to Obamacare...

"it is beside the point"

If the point is whether or not Obama knows his azz from his elbow, his promises are most certainly not besides the point.

Keep your head in the sand, Zimmy. Take yoru head out for the November elections, and listen to the bell, it tolls for thee.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Zimmy, Obama said costs would decrease. I have never, ever, heard anyone deny that Obama claimed this.

"http://www.factcheck.org/2008/06/obamas-inflated-health-savings/"

"■Obama says he’ll "lower premiums by up to $2,500 for a typical family per year”"

OK, how many fishermen on here are paying $2500 less a year for health insurance, thanks to Obamacare...

You're citing a campaign quote about a specific policy change which isn't necessarily what was implemented as law.

I don't think any discussion on health care costs is valid without a good what if we kept the current course. Even with tort reform and interstate competition (which I support) there still are massive issues.

-spence

[zimmy]

"Obama repeated a version of that vow during debate over the federal law, saying the legislation plus some effort to reduce costs from labor unions, and insurance, drug and medical industries “could save families $2,500 in the coming years – $2,500 per family.” That time, the administration had determined the savings in national expenditures could total $2 trillion over 10 years, and with a little math, that works out to $2,500 a year for a family of four. That assumes the savings happen, that is, and that every penny saved somehow translates to lower prices, lower taxes or higher wages for families.
It should be noted that Obama is promising to slow the rate of growth of premiums or health care spending, so costs would still rise, but not by as much."

FactCheck.org : FactChecking Health Insurance Premiums

This is in reference to the campaign statement I see in Spence's post was addressed above. The savings were based on a switch to IT instead of paper. He should have known that there wouldn't be full implementation and that savings wouldn't necessarily get passed on to consumers.

"Obama says his plan will "lower premiums by up to $2,500 for a typical family per year," partly through the use of electronic records. But experts say large savings from health IT are unlikely to flow to consumers.

Desroches points out that the average voter may never see the savings that the RAND study postulates. "Definitely insurance companies and federal and state payers would see savings," Desroches says. "I’m not sure individuals will see savings, [except] in the unlikely event that payers realize these savings and pass them on in the form of lower premiums."

FactCheck.org : Obama’s Inflated Health “Savings”

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

You're citing a campaign quote about a specific policy change which isn't necessarily what was implemented as law.

I don't think any discussion on health care costs is valid without a good what if we kept the current course. Even with tort reform and interstate competition (which I support) there still are massive issues.

-spence

"You're citing a campaign quote "

wrong, wrong, wrong. The promise of $2500 decreases was a direct claim about Obamacare, which was passed long after the election. Obama made that promise both as a candidate as a sitting president.

"without a good what if we kept the current course"

Zimmy, Obama said premiums would decrease. He was spectacularly wrong.

"Even with tort reform and interstate competition (which I support) there still are massive issues."

On that we agree. And what's worse, that means we both know more about this issue than Obama. Because he claimed that he could magically decrease costs.

Zimmy, all I'm doing is holding the man accountable for what he said...