this is brilliant

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

he went to Holder's primary polling location and demonstrated how easy it would have been to get a ballot and vote...so your saying he voted? B/c otherwise we can only speculate if he could have voted. I know the lemmings have been told to constantly bring up voter fraud but where is the wide spread voter fraud?


the fact that this doesn't disturb you beyond venom for O'Keefe & Co. is a little disturbing

I think what he does his sleazy - the way he constantly lies to people. So I guess people lying doesn't disturb you

If I had venom I would constantly start threads about the minor things that I read about every day. - Like Cantor donating $ to help defeat fellow Repubs. or some racist hacking into roads signs saying T. Martin is N***** or Santorium dropping out b/f the primary in his home state in which he was behind

[spence]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I think what he does his sleazy - the way he constantly lies to people. So I guess people lying doesn't disturb you

There's a line between what he does and journalism. What O'Keefe does is a stunt to get himself publicity.

Like with the Acorn videos, he should have mentioned that a number of locations called the police about his actions.

The irony is that the crack head response is to snort more rather than look at the situation objectively. It's the exact same accusation Sowell makes of the Left.

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

There's a line between what he does and journalism. What O'Keefe does is a stunt to get himself publicity.

Like with the Acorn videos, he should have mentioned that a number of locations called the police about his actions.

The irony is that the crack head response is to snort more rather than look at the situation objectively. It's the exact same accusation Sowell makes of the Left.

-spence

DJIA 12805.39 ...you need to work a little harder and stop with the crack obsession

[RIROCKHOUND]

This is one of those issues, even though some on here label me a 'radical' I can see both sides.

Is it a major impediment to getting or showing a picture ID. No. Does it impact some people? Probably

Do I think voter fraud is that rampant? No. Otherwise we'd see numbers (like records of all these dead people voting for a democrat...)

IMHO not a major panty-wadding issue.... both sides treat it that way though

[scottw]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Do I think voter fraud is that rampant? No. Otherwise we'd see numbers (like records of all these dead people voting for a democrat...) the dead people would have to speak up in order for you to ever know

probably never happens much and has no real impact if it does

April 9, 2012

The latest fraud case in Indiana shows how foolish the claim is that no election fraud exists or that it is “inconsequential.”

Four Democratic party officials, including the St. Joseph County chairman Butch Morgan, have been charged with conspiracy, forgery, and official misconduct in the 2008 presidential primary election. Morgan allegedly ordered three county officials to duplicate signatures from a 2008 petition for Democratic gubernatorial candidate Jim Schellinger onto petitions for then-presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. The Republican member of the Board of Voter Registration’s signature, which is required for final authorization of all petitions, was apparently then rubber stamped without her knowledge. In Indiana, a candidate must secure 500 signatures from each of the state’s nine congressional districts in order to appear on the ballot. Then-senator Barack Obama barely qualified for the ballot with 534 signatures.

The South Bend Tribune collaborated with an independent political newsletter, Howey Politics Indiana, to conduct an investigation of the allegedly fake signatures. Erich Speckin, an expert forensic document analyst, told the paper that up to 270 of the ballot signatures for candidate Obama were fraudulent. “It’s obvious. It’s just terribly obvious” that the signatures on the various pages were made by the same hand, Speckin said after reviewing the documents. Previous investigations have already found no fewer than 150 fraudulent signatures on the petitions.

The fraud came to an end after a source from inside the county Democratic party who had participated personally in the scheme approached local investigators. Lucas Burkett attended meetings at the local Democratic party headquarters where Morgan ordered the forgeries. Investigators then compared the signatures on Obama and Clinton petitions to the signatures on file for registered voters, and contacted the voters whose names appeared on the forms, in order to confirm the signatures were forgeries.

Many common citizens were shocked and dismayed to see their own name and personal information on a petition they had supposedly signed four years earlier. “It’s scary. A lot of people have already lost faith in politics . . . and that solidifies our worries and concerns,” Mishawaka resident Charity Rorie.

There is no telling what other deceitful and illegal measures these local party officials were willing to take (or have taken in the past without detection) to steal an election. That is why we need to take steps throughout the voter registration, voting, and election process to secure the integrity of our elections. Voter ID is just one of the precautions necessary for a fair and honest vote.

Hans A. von Spakovsky is a senior legal fellow at the Heritage Foundation, a former FEC Commissioner, and the former counsel to the assistant attorney general for civil rights at the Justice Department.

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

DJIA 12805.39 ...you need to work a little harder and stop with the crack obsession

What, that the market has had perhaps one of it's best quarters ever?

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

What, that the market has had perhaps one of it's best quarters ever?

-spence

you are supposed to be keeping it over 13,000...get back to work

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

you are supposed to be keeping it over 13,000...get back to work

I had a kick a$$ meeting today with a huge global producer of hydrogen, oxygen and other industrial chemicals. Went really well...

Market still had a great quarter...suck it up.

-spence

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

I had a kick a$$ meeting today with a huge global producer of hydrogen, oxygen and other industrial chemicals. Went really well...


-spence

you go girl...

[Piscator]

Originally Posted by spence

I had a kick a$$ meeting today with a huge global producer of hydrogen, oxygen and other industrial chemicals. Went really well...

Market still had a great quarter...suck it up.

-spence

I had a meeting last night just after dinner with a large producer of methane and it wasn't pretty

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by scottw

you are supposed to be keeping it over 13,000...get back to work

Ya Spence, I figured you musta been on vacation.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

so your saying he voted? B/c otherwise we can only speculate if he could have voted.

Poll Worker: I do. Xxxx 50th Street NW. Okay. [Puts check next to name, indicating someone has shown up to vote.] Will you sign there . . .

Man: I actually forgot my ID.

Poll Worker: You don’t need it; it’s all right.

Poll Worker: As long as you’re in here, and you’re on our list and that’s who you say you are, we’re okay.


he clearly could have... which is the point that can't seem to grasp

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

Poll Worker: I do. Xxxx 50th Street NW. Okay. [Puts check next to name, indicating someone has shown up to vote.] Will you sign there . . .

Man: I actually forgot my ID.

Poll Worker: You don’t need it; it’s all right.

Poll Worker: As long as you’re in here, and you’re on our list and that’s who you say you are, we’re okay.


he clearly could have... which is the point that can't seem to grasp

But he didn't vote. Maybe she was setting him up to see if he voted and then was going to call the cops. So, he didn't vote and there is no voter fraud in this situation.

[PaulS]

Is there a requirement in the constitution to have an id to vote

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

But he didn't vote. Maybe she was setting him up to see if he voted and then was going to call the cops. :

yeah, that's probably what was going on....

Paul, if you have to work this hard making so little sense it should tell you something

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by scottw

yeah, that's probably what was going on....

Paul, if you have to work this hard making so little sense it should tell you something

Ok, you win. It was voter fraud even though no fraud occurred

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Ok, you win. It was voter fraud even though no fraud occurred

you are the only one that claimed that he did anything wrong, noone said he committed voter fraud...just demonstrated that he could have...quite easily


Paul, if someone walked into your house, threw your dog a steak to preoccupy him and went to the jewellery in your bedroom and was about to take it but heard a noise outside and left...

I guess you'd claim that while he may have committed a crime(or lied in the voter case) by entering your house, he never actually took anything so there's no proof that he "could have" taken something if he'd wanted to and therefore any discussion of whether or not he could have taken your jewellery or the relative ease with which he could have taken it or the fact that he just walked into your house and so easily got by your guard dog has absolutely no bearing on the theftproofness/vunerability of your home....

and you might even claim that your dog was in fact "setting the burgular up" and while he appeared to be distracted and thoroughly enjoying the steak, he actually had on eye on the burgular and was planning to dial 911 as soon as he touched the goods ?

and finally..

"Ok, you win. It was theft even though no theft occurred"

which isn't really funny because noone claimed that a theft(voter fraud) occurred, we were just pointing out that it would be, based on the evidence, really easy to steal your jewellery, but you can't seem to grasp that.

and then imagine that rather than your home, we were talking about the home of the top home security consultant in America who had been for years claiming that home invasions in his neighborood and elsewhere were overstated

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Ok, you win. It was voter fraud even though no fraud occurred

I told you Scott, you win. It was voter fraud. We need to change everything b/c there is wide spread voter fraud and b/c O'Keefe (I guess?) committed voter fraud. It says it in the constitution that everyone needs an ID and we need to get it done. - Is that good enough?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I told you Scott, you win. It was voter fraud. We need to change everything b/c there is wide spread voter fraud and b/c O'Keefe (I guess?) committed voter fraud. It says it in the constitution that everyone needs an ID and we need to get it done. - Is that good enough?

“Unfortunately, the United States has a long history of voter fraud that has been documented by historians and journalists,” Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens wrote in 2008, upholding a strict Indiana voter-ID law designed to combat fraud. Justice Stevens, who personally encountered voter fraud while serving on various reform commissions in his native Chicago, spoke for a six-member majority. In a decision two years earlier clearing the way for an Arizona ID law, the Court had declared in a unanimous opinion that “confidence in the integrity of our electoral processes is essential to the functioning of our participatory democracy. Voter fraud drives honest citizens out of the democratic process and breeds distrust of our government. Voters who fear their legitimate votes will be outweighed by fraudulent ones will feel disenfranchised.”

Indeed, a brand-new Rasmussen Reports poll finds that 64 percent of Americans believe voter fraud is a serious problem, with whites registering 63 percent agreement and African-Americans 64 percent. A Fox News poll taken last month found that 70 percent of Americans support requiring voters to show “state or federally issued photo identification” to prove their identity and citizenship before casting a ballot. Majorities of all demographic groups agreed on the need for photo ID, including 58 percent of non-white voters, 52 percent of liberals, and 52 percent of Democrats.





Artur Davis, who was a Democratic congressman from Alabama until last year. Davis has been an up-and-coming black Democratic leader, having been selected to second the nomination of Barack Obama at the 2008 Democratic convention in Denver.

But in 2009 he decided to vote against Obamacare because he viewed it as unworkable and too expensive. When he ran the next year in the Democratic primary for governor in Alabama, he was attacked as disloyal and defeated by a coalition of liberals, teachers’ unions, and old-style black political machines.

He told me that the voter suppression he most observed in his 68 percent African-American district was rampant fraud in counties with powerful political machines. To keep themselves in power, these machines would frequently steal the votes of members of minority groups. “I know it exists, I’ve had the chance to steal votes in my favor offered to me, and the people it hurts the most are the poor and those without power,” he said.

Davis made it clear in his speech to True the Vote that much of the opposition to voter-ID and ballot-integrity laws is a sad attempt to inject racism into the discussion and intimidate supporters of anti-fraud laws. “This is not a billy club, this is not a fire hose,” he told his audience while holding up his driver’s license. “Where is this notion that if I have a right [to vote], that I don’t have to be bothered with responsibility?” He concluded with an appeal for all sides to eschew racial appeals: “We have to be one country, but the way you become one country is you stop acting like a country that’s divided into different buckets and bases of people.”