Fuel costs

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by likwid

The secretary of energy said that in 2008 before he was even in that role.

And with context its a bit different than YOU want it to come off.

Chu told the newspaper that he favored raising gasoline taxes gradually over 15 years to coax consumers into buying fuel-efficient cars and discouraging sprawl.


And after the fact, Obama was against raising the gas tax.

Shoo back to your forum.




DING DING DING!

"The secretary of energy said that in 2008 before he was even in that role."

Right. And saying something that stupid would normally preclude him from being in that role. But heck, we have a tax cheat as Treasury Secretary, and we have an Attorney General who wants to try enemy combatants in US civilian courts, as well as giving machine guns to Mexican drug-runners so they can kill Americans more efficiently. So why not put one more certifiable lunatic in Obama's Cabinet?

"And with context its a bit different than YOU want it to come off."

Put it in any context you want. European-level gas prices are bad for most Americans, not good.

"and discouraging sprawl"

Oh, that's awesome!!!! Our energy secretary wants to make it too expensive for us to live in the suburbs. Has it occurred to him that we who live in the suburbs, like it there? That we're there for a reason?

Our energy secretary hopes that gas/oil becomes so expensive, that we'll all have to sell our houses and cars, move to big cities, and buy buss passes. And Likwid thinks that's a good thing.

Well this Marine says f*ck that and the commie liberal horse they (and you) rode in on.

Jesus God Almighty. Our Energy Secretary wants to herd us all back to the big cities. And Likwid is OK with that...

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"The secretary of energy said that in 2008 before he was even in that role."

Right. And saying something that stupid would normally preclude him from being in that role. But heck, we have a tax cheat as Treasury Secretary, and we have an Attorney General who wants to try enemy combatants in US civilian courts, as well as giving machine guns to Mexican drug-runners so they can kill Americans more efficiently. So why not put one more certifiable lunatic in Obama's Cabinet?

"And with context its a bit different than YOU want it to come off."

Put it in any context you want. European-level gas prices are bad for most Americans, not good.

"and discouraging sprawl"

Oh, that's awesome!!!! Our energy secretary wants to make it too expensive for us to live in the suburbs. Has it occurred to him that we who live in the suburbs, like it there? That we're there for a reason?

Our energy secretary hopes that gas/oil becomes so expensive, that we'll all have to sell our houses and cars, move to big cities, and buy buss passes. And Likwid thinks that's a good thing.

Well this Marine says f*ck that and the commie liberal horse they (and you) rode in on.

Jesus God Almighty. Our Energy Secretary wants to herd us all back to the big cities. And Likwid is OK with that...

I think that anything that makes you go off on wacko tirades is a good thing.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by likwid

I think that anything that makes you go off on wacko tirades is a good thing.

According to you, Obama's Energy Secretary wants to make it impractical for folks to move away from big cities into suburbs. I said that's totalitarian and un-American.

And you say I went off on a wacko tirade?

Whatever you say...

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

According to you, Obama's Energy Secretary wants to make it impractical for folks to move away from big cities into suburbs. I said that's totalitarian and un-American.

And you say I went off on a wacko tirade?

Whatever you say...

According to me?

All I did was posted what his thoughts were on how to get people to buy more efficient automobiles, you took it however you so choose, which was in the sense of a wacko tirade calling people names and saying they're 'un-American'.

Which is rather un-American of you.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by likwid

According to me?

All I did was posted what his thoughts were on how to get people to buy more efficient automobiles, you took it however you so choose, which was in the sense of a wacko tirade calling people names and saying they're 'un-American'.

Which is rather un-American of you.

Now you're saying that you never suggested that the goal of higher gas prices was to reverse suburban sprawl? You never said that? Then someone is logging into your account and signing on as you, at 2:04 PM today...

"Chu told the newspaper that he favored raising gasoline taxes gradually over 15 years to coax consumers into buying fuel-efficient cars and discouraging sprawl."

Discouraging sprawl means discouraging folks from moving out of the cities and into the suburbs. You said that's what our energy secretary wants. I didn't say he wants that, you did.

[zacs]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Now you're saying that you never suggested that the goal of higher gas prices was to reverse suburban sprawl? You never said that? Then someone is logging into your account and signing on as you, at 2:04 PM today...

"Chu told the newspaper that he favored raising gasoline taxes gradually over 15 years to coax consumers into buying fuel-efficient cars and discouraging sprawl."

Discouraging sprawl means discouraging folks from moving out of the cities and into the suburbs. You said that's what our energy secretary wants. I didn't say he wants that, you did.

but it doesn't say "Likwid told the newspaper..." it says "Chu told the newspaper..." right???

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zacs

but it doesn't say "Likwid told the newspaper..." it says "Chu told the newspaper..." right???

Correct.

But Likwid is now saying that he never posted anything that suggested that Chu wants to discourage sprawl (which is what I inferred from his post where Likwid said Chu wants to discourage sprawl). Likwid is calling my interpretation "spin".

I'm not saying Likwid wants to discourage suburban sprawl. I'm saying that according to what Likwid posted, Secretary Chu wants to discourage sprawl.

Now he's telling me that's just my "spin".

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Discouraging sprawl means discouraging folks from moving out of the cities and into the suburbs. You said that's what our energy secretary wants. I didn't say he wants that, you did.

I didn't say thats what he "wants".

Stop spinning, you must be dizzy by now.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by likwid

I didn't say thats what he "wants".

Stop spinning, you must be dizzy by now.

Likwid, here is what you posted...

"he favored raising gasoline taxes gradually over 15 years to coax consumers into buying fuel-efficient cars and discouraging sprawl."

He (Chu) favors high gasoline prices to (among other things) discourage sprawl.

Your post above, states explicitly and unequivocally, that Secretary Chu wants to discourage sprawl by raising gasoline taxes.

Have you been painting inside with the windows shut? Please remember to open them a crack...

If I'm the GOP nominee, that's all the ammo I need. "Everyone who wants to be stuck in big cities with a bus pass, vote for Obama. Anyone who wants the freedom to raise their kids in a nice suburb and own a car, vote for me..."

I, for one, believe Americans should be able to choose for themselves if they want to live in a city or the suburbs. I don't like gas prices restricting choices. That's less freedom.