Just curious, would any of you vote for Santorum

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

YThe last thing the media wants is for folks to hear what Santorum has to say about fixing the economy, because anyone with half a brain knows that conservative economic principles are the only thing that can save us from following Europe's lead down the economic toilet.

Is Santorum considered a fiscal conservative now? He was Mr Earmark in the senate... I haven't heard any pundits from the right refer to him as a fiscal conservative...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Is Santorum considered a fiscal conservative now? He was Mr Earmark in the senate... I haven't heard any pundits from the right refer to him as a fiscal conservative...

If you are unsure if Santorum is a fiscal conservative or not, I can only assume that either you haven't heard a single word he has said about his economic vision, or that you have poor comprehension.

In any event, compared to Obama... Castro, Stalin, and Kim Jong Il are fiscal conservatives. Santorum believes in free market capitalism, small federal govt, and low taxes, allowing for individual freedom and prosperity. Obama is obviously a European style socialist who despises individual prosperity, unless the prosperous person votes Democrat that is.

Santorum isn't a libertarian or anything. But unlike Obama, he knows that you can't spend your way out of bankruptcy, and unlike Obama, he knows you cannot borrow your way out of debt. Unlike Obama, Santorum knows that in this environment, we have no business spending $1.5 trillion more than we take in. Finally, unlike Obama, Santorum concedes that social security and Medicare need fixing in order to be saved. Whenever a conservative statwes that irrefutable fact, Obama says that person hates old people and sick people, and that kind of manipulation works on folks who have zero intellectual curiorisity.

Where am I wrong?

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

If you are unsure if Santorum is a fiscal conservative or not, I can only assume that either you haven't heard a single word he has said about his economic vision, or that you have poor comprehension.

Where am I wrong?

Because what he says on the stump will be different when he gets into office, based on his track record in the senate. IM Very HO even given my poor comprehension.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

If you are unsure if Santorum is a fiscal conservative or not, I can only assume that either you haven't heard a single word he has said about his economic vision, or that you have poor comprehension.

In any event, compared to Obama... Castro, Stalin, and Kim Jong Il are fiscal conservatives. Santorum believes in free market capitalism, small federal govt, and low taxes, allowing for individual freedom and prosperity. Obama is obviously a European style socialist who despises individual prosperity, unless the prosperous person votes Democrat that is.

Santorum isn't a libertarian or anything. But unlike Obama, he knows that you can't spend your way out of bankruptcy, and unlike Obama, he knows you cannot borrow your way out of debt. Unlike Obama, Santorum knows that in this environment, we have no business spending $1.5 trillion more than we take in. Finally, unlike Obama, Santorum concedes that social security and Medicare need fixing in order to be saved. Whenever a conservative statwes that irrefutable fact, Obama says that person hates old people and sick people, and that kind of manipulation works on folks who have zero intellectual curiorisity.

Where am I wrong?

1. Obama has never said a person who thinks medicare needs fixing hates old and sick people. By extension, the intelectual curiousity garbage.

2. Castro, Stalin, Kim JOng Il are "conservative" compared to Obama. Yes, they are closer to Santorum, than Obama, but it is they are insane, not conservative.
3. Obama despises individual prosperity. Completely untrue and a juvenile analysis of his positions.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

1. Obama has never said a person who thinks medicare needs fixing hates old and sick people. By extension, the intelectual curiousity garbage.

2. Castro, Stalin, Kim JOng Il are "conservative" compared to Obama. Yes, they are closer to Santorum, than Obama, but it is they are insane, not conservative.
3. Obama despises individual prosperity. Completely untrue and a juvenile analysis of his positions.

"Obama has never said a person who thinks medicare needs fixing hates old and sick people. By extension, the intelectual curiousity garbage."

A few months ago, Paul Ryan said that we needed to overhaul Social Security and Medicare, in order to save those vital programs. Obama responded by saying that Ryan wanted to take benefits away from old people and sick people. Although to be fair, Obama has also hinted that those programs need to be cut in order to be saved...

"Castro, Stalin, Kim JOng Il are "conservative" compared to Obama. "

Ever hear of hyperbole Zimmy? OK. I'll keep it objective. Obama is adding more to our debt than any president in the history of our country, and to make it worse, he's wasting that money. Instead of helping entrepeneurs grow businesses and actually create wealth, he gave the majority of it to unions, saving public sector jobs that can only be saved again next year by raising taxes, ie, by destroying wealth.

"Obama despises individual prosperity. Completely untrue "

Obama has repeatedly said that the wealthy aren't paying their fair share. That is what is completely untrue. I have also posted several times that even if we eliminated the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy, the extra tax revenue would take more than 500 years to pay down our debt. What that means is, we cannot tax our way out of this, but taxing is all he talks about. not only does he not want to talk about spending cuts, he is increasing spending.

You go ahead and tell me where I'm wrong, OK?

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Although to be fair, Obama has also hinted that those programs need to be cut in order to be saved...

"Castro, Stalin, Kim JOng Il are "conservative" compared to Obama. "

Ever hear of hyperbole Zimmy?

"Obama despises individual prosperity. Completely untrue "

Obama has repeatedly said that the wealthy aren't paying their fair share.

You go ahead and tell me where I'm wrong, OK?

I don't need to... you said it yourself

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

If you are unsure if Santorum is a fiscal conservative or not, I can only assume that either you haven't heard a single word he has said about his economic vision, or that you have poor comprehension.

Or you're gullible enough to go strictly by what he says as opposed to his voting history.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Or you're gullible enough to go strictly by what he says as opposed to his voting history.

(1) voters voted for Obama because he said he'd be a centrist, despite his voting history. Correct? I guess they were all as gullable as you claim I am with Santorum...

(2) What did Santorum do that was so fiscally liberal? It's my understanding that his record was pretty conservative, though I could be wrong. You are the one who brought up his voting history, where are the details?

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

(1) voters voted for Obama because he said he'd be a centrist, despite his voting history. Correct? I guess they were all as gullable as you claim I am with Santorum...

(2) What did Santorum do that was so fiscally liberal? It's my understanding that his record was pretty conservative, though I could be wrong. You are the one who brought up his voting history, where are the details?

(1) I never said anything about Obama. I thought we were talking about Santorum. Instead of defending Santorum with "yeah well Obama sucks because" kind of replies, how about sticking to the subject at hand by defending your guy on his merits.

(2) Let's look at Santorum's voting record:support of Medicare prescription drug program, supported that whole "Bridge to Nowhere" Bill that was chock full of massive pork, his repeated Yea votes for raising the debt ceiling, continued support of providing funds to Amtrak... should I go on?

I read a "Taxpayers for Common Sense" article yesterday that showed during Santorum's time in the House and Senate that he had at least $1billion of pet project he stuffed into bills. Looking for reference article now.

Now, that's not to say that he hasn't also voted in a way that would be in line with the views of a fiscal conservative, but remove your veil and stop trying to frame him up as a textbook example of what a fiscal conservative should be.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

(1) I never said anything about Obama. I thought we were talking about Santorum. Instead of defending Santorum with "yeah well Obama sucks because" kind of replies, how about sticking to the subject at hand by defending your guy on his merits.

(2) Let's look at Santorum's voting record:support of Medicare prescription drug program, supported that whole "Bridge to Nowhere" Bill that was chock full of massive pork, his repeated Yea votes for raising the debt ceiling, continued support of providing funds to Amtrak... should I go on?

I read a "Taxpayers for Common Sense" article yesterday that showed during Santorum's time in the House and Senate that he had at least $1billion of pet project he stuffed into bills. Looking for reference article now.

Now, that's not to say that he hasn't also voted in a way that would be in line with the views of a fiscal conservative, but remove your veil and stop trying to frame him up as a textbook example of what a fiscal conservative should be.

Johnny, I'm no huge Santorum fan. But if someone says Santorum is a whack job because he's a strict Catholic, I don't see anything wrong with pouinting out that our current President has supported a church that is a lot weirder, a lot more divisive, and a lot more hateful, than anyone can ever claim about Catholicism.

I don't see Santorum through any veil whatsoever. That's why I simply asked you to provide examples of his spending record that were not in line with conservative principles. All I did was ask a question, do you get that prickly every time someone asks you a question?

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

(1) voters voted for Obama because he said he'd be a centrist, despite his voting history. Correct? I guess they were all as gullable as you claim I am with Santorum...

Is that a joke? Tax cuts for the majority of Americans. Moderate on the environment. Only thing he has done gun related is relax some regulations. On yeah, a Romney based health care program for the country... Helping the revolution in Libya... We'll find out how centerist when he gets to go up against the nut Santorum and see where the independents go.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by zimmy

Is that a joke? Tax cuts for the majority of Americans. Moderate on the environment. Only thing he has done gun related is relax some regulations. On yeah, a Romney based health care program for the country... Helping the revolution in Libya... We'll find out how centerist when he gets to go up against the nut Santorum and see where the independents go.

Obamacare. The stimulus, which gave billions and billions to public labor unions, while not keeping unemployment below 8% as he said. Forcing the catholic Church to hand out free contraceptives. Adding more to our debt than any president in the history of our nation. Not the actions of a centrist...Taking over the auto industry, telling them what kind of cars to make (the kind that nobody wants, but who cares about that).

I'm not saying Obama cannot win, I'm saying he's no more of a centrist than Santorum would be.

[zimmy]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Obamacare. The stimulus, which gave billions and billions to public labor unions, while not keeping unemployment below 8% as he said. Forcing the catholic Church to hand out free contraceptives. Adding more to our debt than any president in the history of our nation. Not the actions of a centrist...Taking over the auto industry, telling them what kind of cars to make (the kind that nobody wants, but who cares about that).

I'm not saying Obama cannot win, I'm saying he's no more of a centrist than Santorum would be.

Obamacare: so you won't vote for Romney then...

The stimulus: no way to really know, but many independent economists have said unemployment would have been several points higher and some say the stimulus was too small. Unemployment doubled under Bush , went up about 2% more in the beginning of Obama's presidency, has dropped back down and is trending down.

Adding more debt: yeah 2% more than Bush 2 at this point. 8% more than Reagan, at this point. Definitely a sign of a radical.

Taking over the auto industry: again... you must be joking. GM has a record $7.6 billion profit last year. Chrysler had the first profitable year since 2005. The loans to the auto companies prevented economic devastation.

Remember, this started by you claiming Obama was so far from a centrist. So he pushed for the same health plan as the leading Republican candidate. Raised debt during a recession, about the same percent as the previous republican president over 8 years and within 10% of the Republican political messiah. $80 billion loan to the auto industry, most of which was paid back, almost exactly the same amount of subsidies for fossil fuel industry from 2002-2008. Quite radical.