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[striperman36]

Originally Posted by Saltys

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If you have a better plan than just throwing TURDS, let's hear it.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by striperman36

If you have a better plan than just throwing TURDS, let's hear it.

He doesn't; neither do Perry, Romney etc..

If this fails, Obama will lose. Period.

He presented something rooted in previous bills from both sides, rather than to continue to be seen as not leading. If I were him, I'd go to every R and D, including Cantor and Boehner, and say here is all the pork you asked for in your delegation and didn't get in the last couple of years, and you can have X,Y and Z now.

It isn't perfect, or a silver bullet, but as Bill said, what is the alternative?

[likwid]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

It isn't perfect, or a silver bullet, but as Bill said, what is the alternative?

Pissing and moaning about it along with coming up with new and unique names for politicians. Oh wait, nope, not coming up with, recycling what the talking heads come up with.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by likwid

Pissing and moaning about it along with coming up with new and unique names for politicians. Oh wait, nope, not coming up with, recycling what the talking heads come up with.

Ya mean like he's smart?

Smart is over rated unless it's tempered with a lot of experience
and wisdom.

No matter how ya cut it, the man is a day late and a dollar short.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

He doesn't; neither do Perry, Romney etc..

If this fails, Obama will lose. Period.

and say here is all the pork you asked for u can have X,Y and Z now.

It isn't perfect, or a silver bullet, but as Bill said, what is the alternative?

That's what He did in the last stimulas only it was all D's. Come up with something new.

FAIL

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

He doesn't; neither do Perry, Romney etc..

If this fails, Obama will lose. Period.

He presented something rooted in previous bills from both sides, rather than to continue to be seen as not leading. If I were him, I'd go to every R and D, including Cantor and Boehner, and say here is all the pork you asked for in your delegation and didn't get in the last couple of years, and you can have X,Y and Z now.

It isn't perfect, or a silver bullet, but as Bill said, what is the alternative?

What a bunch of crap from all of you. Not one of you can tell me why this plan will SUCCEED. Not one. You're all preachin politics which is what the bafoons in washington are doing.
Bryan - if the plan is passed, it will fail. Why? Business (people who create jobs) cannot forecast 3-5 yrs out. The cant plan their taxes, sales, production, etc. No one will suddenly start growing as a result of this or any stimulus and govt. action. If I get more money in my paycheck, im putting it away for my kids education or retirement. The amount of $$$ per worker we are talking about amounts to a few extra beers a week. tax breaks to businesses is good, but its all temporary. You dont run a business on that.
This is not a partisan summary, its basic freakin facts, I dont care if this came from Obama or Reagan. This will not work. But there isnt anything Obama, Romney or anyone else can do.
When you think American ingenuity and production you think.....???
Until you can answer that question, we wont have a recovery. Period. I dont even see anything on the HORIZON!!!

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

When you think American ingenuity and production you think.....???

Apple. but production is oversees.

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

I dont care if this came from Obama or Reagan. This will not work. But there isnt anything Obama, Romney or anyone else can do.

So should they just sit back and do nothing?

Your company might not hire anyone or forecast on this alone, but my friend who has a small (5 employees) business (Metal refining) might decide to hire someone and expand his production if there is some incentive.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Your company might not hire anyone or forecast on this alone, but my friend who has a small (5 employees) business (Metal refining) might decide to hire someone and expand his production if there is some incentive.

if he had a need to expand his production, he would already be hiring...if he isn't hiring it is because there is no need to expand his production, no increased demand and it makes no sense to add employees, if he gets a tax credit to add employees that really aren't needed because the demand isn't there he's stuck with the overall cost of new hires, bad business model...do you think a tax credit to add employees is magically going to increase demand to support the expense of these new employees? maybe we need a purchasing tax credit for his buyers to purchase more to increase his demand to support the new employees that he will add as a result of the hiring tax credit????

you don't hire unless there is work to do...the left views a "job" as an entitlement and a guarantee with perks that someone is just supposed to provide for you regardless of whether or not you are really needed(see any union dominated workplace) and continue to provide for you even after you stop working....having actual work to do-that's the incentive to hire...not a tax credit from the federal goverment.......there's nothing that govenment can do to "make" companies hire more people....


NY Times
Employers Say Jobs Plan Won’t Lead to Hiring Spur
Published: Saturday, 10 Sep 2011
Motoko Rich


The dismal state of the economy is the main reason many companies are reluctant to hire workers, and few executives are saying that President Obama’s jobs plan — while welcomed — will change their minds any time soon.

That sentiment was echoed across numerous industries by executives in companies big and small on Friday, underscoring the challenge for the Obama administration as it tries to encourage hiring and perk up the moribund economy.

[striperman36]

No hiring but record profits, just wonderful,

[striperman36]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

What a bunch of crap from all of you. Not one of you can tell me why this plan will SUCCEED. Not one. You're all preachin politics which is what the bafoons in washington are doing.
Bryan - if the plan is passed, it will fail. Why? Business (people who create jobs) cannot forecast 3-5 yrs out. The cant plan their taxes, sales, production, etc. No one will suddenly start growing as a result of this or any stimulus and govt. action. If I get more money in my paycheck, im putting it away for my kids education or retirement. The amount of $$$ per worker we are talking about amounts to a few extra beers a week. tax breaks to businesses is good, but its all temporary. You dont run a business on that.
This is not a partisan summary, its basic freakin facts, I dont care if this came from Obama or Reagan. This will not work. But there isnt anything Obama, Romney or anyone else can do.
When you think American ingenuity and production you think.....???
Until you can answer that question, we wont have a recovery. Period. I dont even see anything on the HORIZON!!!

Exactly welcome back
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I've said on here already what I think should be done.

FIRST. CLOSE THE BORDERS.

SECOND. Announce in the streets. You got 48 hours to leave. DEPORT THE ILLEGALS. Round up the ones that stay behind and send them to chain gangs to clean Mansfield streets. Send the rest to Spence's house.

THIRD. All welfare recipients must work a minimum of 30 hours per week to receive benefits. Mandatory drug testing for recipients and positive is immediate loss of benefits.

Now... you've cleaned up all the illegals, there's now lower paying jobs for youth and early adults, Dunkin Donuts, Starbucks, Mcdonalds, BK, Landscapers, I could go on.

Peons means managerial positions. Bigger dollar earners. Middle Income jobs...

You've eliminated people off the welfare rolls. Now you got people to pick up the trash on the side of the roads. Which brings me to the next......

FIFTH. Cut govt departments now that you have people who will mow your lawn and pickup trash, prune this or that. You could cut Mass DOT alone down I bet HALF the size of what it is right now.

SIXTH. Eliminate perks and subsidies for quasi public utilities. Close tax loopholes.

Man I got friggin work to do. No time for typing this.

You get the idea Bill. I think it's all tied together. Without fixing one you can't fix the other. You can't fix the economy if 30% of your workforce is sending their money earned to Nicaragua, Ecuador, Brazil, Africa or more.

Originally Posted by striperman36

If you have a better plan than just throwing TURDS, let's hear it.

[buckman]

I think the market heard him Spence,

[scottw]

this is pretty good....

Among the Intellectualoids
Devil's Dictionary, Obama Edition
By Ross Kaminsky on 9.9.11 @ 6:08AM

Why, you may ask, are you publishing a dictionary to help decode President Obama's latest "jobs speech" the night after he gave it? The answer is based on the results of a poll by Kaminsky & Associates (polling methodology not disclosed) which asked, "When will you watch Barack Obama​'s latest 'jobs speech'?" The results were as follows:

While he is giving it: 4%
Recording it to watch later: 19%
Never: 59%
Speech? What speech?: 18%

In other words, while more than three quarters of the population has either no interest in or knowledge of the speech, nearly five times as many people will watch/listen to the speech after having an opportunity to access this reference material as will watch it live. It is worth noting, as one digs into the details of the poll results (details not available to the public, of course) that of those who said they will be watching Obama's speech while he is giving it, 61% were members of Congress, 13% were columnists and television pundits, 9% were labor union leaders, and 15% changed their answers after learning that the first game of the NFL season began later the same evening.

The Devil's Dictionary, Obama Speech Edition

Abraham Lincoln: Not the founder of the Republican Party.

Basic protection(s): Any regulation(s) that Barack Obama believes will reduce the ability of financial, medical, or fossil fuel companies to earn a profit, especially any regulation based on the Progressive view that individual Americans are too stupid to be allowed to make our own decisions in the most important areas of our daily lives. Also, any regulation that strengthens the power of unions.

Different theory: Economic policy views supported by history, evidence, and research by Barack Obama's own (former) top economic advisor, but not supported by Barack Obama.

Doing nothing: If referencing a Republican-controlled chamber of Congress, not giving the president at least 90% of what he wants even while passing legislation. Not applicable to a Democrat-controlled chamber of Congress, even if not passing any legislation.

Fair shake: The additional amount of money the government can extract from society's most successful by turning success into a vice and lack of success into a virtue; similar to shakedown.

Fair share: More than you pay in taxes now, especially if you are in the top 1% of earners who already pay more in income taxes than the bottom 95% of taxpayers and who pay nearly twice as much as a share of taxes than they earn as a share of national income.

Fairness: A never-reached situation in which the "rich" are paying their Fair share and Warren Buffet​t is happy.

Help: Buy one group of Americans' votes with money earned by those who pay most federal income taxes by giving the latter group a Fair shake.

Jolt: A policy dramatic enough to increase Barack Obama's poll numbers. A cola I drank in college.

Listen to every new proposal: Tailor a bill based on "suggestions" from the head of the AFL-CIO, SEIU, or AFSCME; Suggestions from Republicans responded to with "I won."

Most fortunate: Hardest working, smartest, most entrepreneurial, most responsible for job creation, paying more than others in taxes, or being part of any other such category so deserving of income confiscation, over-regulation, union domination, or any other punishment the Obama Administration can implement over Republican opposition which is based on Rigid ideas.

Nothing controversial: Highly controversial.

Paid for: Funded by increasing Fairness. Spending increases and Fair Shakes implemented now with the net deficit theoretically funded by a promise of spending reductions later.

Payroll tax cut: A temporary benefit to some working Americans and businesses to be Paid for by creating a permanent penalty on other working Americans and businesses.

Political crisis: See "Urgent time for our country."

Right now: When to pass a "jobs bill," in which there is Nothing controversial, because we are in an Urgent time for our country.

Rigid idea: A position based on reading the plain text of the Constitution and thus not worthy of serious consideration, especially if it impedes Fairness or the implementation of Basic protections.

Sincerely believe: If referring to a Democrat, believe sincerely. If referring to a Republican, must be stupid or crazy to believe.

Tax loopholes; tax breaks: Advantages in the tax code that go to companies or people who do not share President Obama's goal of Fairness and who do not contribute enough to Democratic campaigns and thus must be shifted to the favor of those who do.

Urgent time for our country: A period during which Barack Obama's poll numbers are falling, causing him to fear that he will lose re-election and therefore that oceans may start to rise again.