Incredible - No liberal bias, huh?

[fishbones]

[QUOTE=zimmy;842952]All news, news outlets and historians are biased. Impossible not to be based on the nature of the business.
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Yeah, but other news outlets are not publicly funded. It's BS that we HAVE to pay for a media outlet that is so overtly in bed with one political party.

[zimmy]

[QUOTE=fishbones;842954]

Originally Posted by zimmy

All news, news outlets and historians are biased. Impossible not to be based on the nature of the business.
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Yeah, but other news outlets are not publicly funded. It's BS that we HAVE to pay for a media outlet that is so overtly in bed with one political party.

I'll assume you know that only about 10% of NPR's budget is from CPB grants. Would you get rid of all grants for radio and television? I wouldn't really have much problem with that. It is funny that you say so overtly in bed with one political party. There have been several studies over the last decade that pretty much all indicated that NPR was about the least biased of all new outlets. So, is it really just that you don't think any radio or television should be eligible for government funded grants? I think that's reasonable. Npr has the largest audience, they would have no problem making up the difference in advertising.

[fishbones]

[QUOTE=zimmy;843045]

Originally Posted by fishbones

I'll assume you know that only about 10% of NPR's budget is from CPB grants. Would you get rid of all grants for radio and television? I wouldn't really have much problem with that. It is funny that you say so overtly in bed with one political party. There have been several studies over the last decade that pretty much all indicated that NPR was about the least biased of all new outlets. So, is it really just that you don't think any radio or television should be eligible for government funded grants? I think that's reasonable. Npr has the largest audience, they would have no problem making up the difference in advertising.

Right, and 10% is more than I feel should be paid for by the public. My feeling is that if I like the programming, I can donate during a pledge drive, whether it's NPR, PBS or any other radio/tv station. As for it being the least bias, that doesn't mean it's still not bias. If you want to compare it to Premier or Air America, of course it's not going to be as bias, but that doesn't make it neutral or middle of the road by any stretch.

[zimmy]

[QUOTE=fishbones;843054]

Originally Posted by zimmy

If you want to compare it to Premier or Air America, of course it's not going to be as bias, but that doesn't make it neutral or middle of the road by any stretch.

I think it was a comparison of all major news media in the US. NY times, washington post, fox, abc, nbc, cnn,msnbc, wall street journal, etc. I am guessing Premier or Air America were not in the study. Although, I never heard of 1 and didn't know 2 existed anymore so maybe they were included.

I think it would be fine to stop grants for radio and tv, but I would much prefer the end the handouts to oil, sugar, corporate hog farms, insurance co, etc. that are exponentially larger than what goes to public broadcasting or arts. That seems to be the difference between "libs" and conservatives. Conservatives seem to have no problem with billions of dollars going to huge corporate conglomerates, but if it goes to something they consider liberal, then they are up in arms. I would guess in most cases they just aren't aware of the amounts of money that go other places. How anyone who fishes can support the GOP who put out a budget that slashes funding for Chesapeake Bay cleanup, and specifically allows for direct water polluters to be exempt from regulation, but allows for billions in tax breaks for enormous corporate monopolies is unfathomable to me.

[JohnR]

[QUOTE=zimmy;843116]

Originally Posted by fishbones

How anyone who fishes can support the GOP who put out a budget that slashes funding for Chesapeake Bay cleanup, and specifically allows for direct water polluters to be exempt from regulation, but allows for billions in tax breaks for enormous corporate monopolies is unfathomable to me.

For the same reason that supporting people that tax and spend with reckless abandon - far more often than not having a (D) in front of the name, and destroying our country is bad.

You cannot be someone that would pull a master lever and side with one party in entirety. You need to research and vote your mind on a case by case basis at the local and national levels. I highly encourage you affiliate with the unaffiliated voters

[fishbones]

[QUOTE=JohnR;843122]

Originally Posted by zimmy

For the same reason that supporting people that tax and spend with reckless abandon - far more often than not having a (D) in front of the name, and destroying our country is bad.

You cannot be someone that would pull a master lever and side with one party in entirety. You need to research and vote your mind on a case by case basis at the local and national levels. I highly encourage you affiliate with the unaffiliated voters

Just for the record, the quote you responded to wasn't from me. Somehow, Zimmy and my quotes got messed up.

And Zimmy, you might want to be a litle more careful when using statements like "Conservatives seem to have no problem" and "I would guess in most cases they aren't aware". It makes you seem like you don't believe that there are conservatives who are informed, which is wrong. Don't paint with such a broad brush, dude.

[zimmy]

[QUOTE=fishbones;843137]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Just for the record, the quote you responded to wasn't from me. Somehow, Zimmy and my quotes got messed up.

And Zimmy, you might want to be a litle more careful when using statements like "Conservatives seem to have no problem" and "I would guess in most cases they aren't aware". It makes you seem like you don't believe that there are conservatives who are informed, which is wrong. Don't paint with such a broad brush, dude.

You are right, it should have said many conservatives seem to put more weight on the idea of taxes are bad, liberals spend too much. There is no way to have any of these conversations without generalizing, so let's not take offense when it happens.

Obviously, not all conservatives feel one particular way or are uninformed, just like all liberals aren't gun-hating, cross-dressing socialists. The problem is that the public mantra of the tea party and republic party is that the problem with the country is unions, funding for NPR, the EPA, the park service etc. Yet these same groups as an organization never stand up against the enormous amount of money that goes to Cargill, Monsanto, DuPont, Perdue, Exxon, etc. Why not? I think the answer is obvious.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by fishbones

It makes you seem like you don't believe that there are conservatives who are informed, which is wrong. Don't paint with such a broad brush, dude.

Thats a valid point, but how many of the people, many of whom never listen to NPR are railing on them for taking public money, know they get ~10% of their budget from federal dollars?

the same thing happens when state tax payers get up in arms about state universities wasting tax payer money with some hire or action, but the % of the budget that comes from the gov't might be 10% or less....

staying informed is the only way to go.

for WRNI, best hours of the day is 0900-100 and after ~2200 or so; BBC world news...

[zimmy]

[QUOTE=JohnR;843122]

Originally Posted by zimmy

For the same reason that supporting people that tax and spend with reckless abandon - far more often than not having a (D) in front of the name, and destroying our country is bad.

You cannot be someone that would pull a master lever and side with one party in entirety. You need to research and vote your mind on a case by case basis at the local and national levels. I highly encourage you affiliate with the unaffiliated voters

See... what I think is destroying the country is the mentality of the tea party and conservative movement that manifests itself in the form of Omega protein and the Virginia congress. People on these sites bi'ch about Omega protein, the striper slaughter in NC etc. Yet, those behaviors are exactly what you get with that type of government. The big corporation comes first. They make huge amounts of money, put the politicians in office. The politicians make money off it. Their view is the government shouldn't hurt Omega's ability to make money on a renewable resource based on inconclusive science. The reason people here pay attention is that they are starting to realize it affects their striper catch.

The whole spending thing is a pretty suspect. A majority of economists would tell you that the government needed to spend money to prevent the recession from becoming worse than it is. The economy is certainly better than at the bottom. People are also upset because they are scared that the health bill is a bad idea, although again, a very small percent really can effectively evaluate or predict what it really means. There is plenty of analyses that indicate the health bill will save money and get millions of people health care in the process. Plenty of substantiated economic evidence that says the Bush tax rate on the upper incomes is hurting the entire economy.

[RIJIMMY]

[QUOTE=zimmy;843153]

Originally Posted by JohnR

See... what I think is destroying the country is the mentality of the tea party and conservative movement that manifests itself in the form of Omega protein and the Virginia congress. People on these sites bi'ch about Omega protein, the striper slaughter in NC etc. Yet, those behaviors are exactly what you get with that type of government. The big corporation comes first. They make huge amounts of money, put the politicians in office. The politicians make money off it. Their view is the government shouldn't hurt Omega's ability to make money on a renewable resource based on inconclusive science. The reason people here pay attention is that they are starting to realize it affects their striper catch.

The whole spending thing is a pretty suspect. A majority of economists would tell you that the government needed to spend money to prevent the recession from becoming worse than it is. The economy is certainly better than at the bottom. People are also upset because they are scared that the health bill is a bad idea, although again, a very small percent really can effectively evaluate or predict what it really means. There is plenty of analyses that indicate the health bill will save money and get millions of people health care in the process. Plenty of substantiated economic evidence that says the Bush tax rate on the upper incomes is hurting the entire economy.

this is a lay up - I'll leave him to you boys.....

[scottw]

[QUOTE=zimmy;843153]

Originally Posted by JohnR

See... what I think is destroying the country is the mentality of the tea party and conservative movement that manifests itself in the form of Omega protein and the Virginia congress. People on these sites bi'ch about Omega protein, the striper slaughter in NC etc. Yet, those behaviors are exactly what you get with that type of government. The big corporation comes first. They make huge amounts of money, put the politicians in office. The politicians make money off it. Their view is the government shouldn't hurt Omega's ability to make money on a renewable resource based on inconclusive science. The reason people here pay attention is that they are starting to realize it affects their striper catch.

The whole spending thing is a pretty suspect. A majority of economists would tell you that the government needed to spend money to prevent the recession from becoming worse than it is. The economy is certainly better than at the bottom. People are also upset because they are scared that the health bill is a bad idea, although again, a very small percent really can effectively evaluate or predict what it really means. There is plenty of analyses that indicate the health bill will save money and get millions of people health care in the process. Plenty of substantiated economic evidence that says the Bush tax rate on the upper incomes is hurting the entire economy.

this is getting good!...

[justplugit]

[QUOTE=JohnR;843122]

Originally Posted by zimmy

You cannot be someone that would pull a master lever and side with one party in entirety. You need to research and vote your mind on a case by case basis at the local and national levels. I highly encourage you affiliate with the unaffiliated voters

I agree and staying informed on all levels of govt. will require you to
to e mail or call your Representative with the issues that concern you.

It's all grey, there is no black or white.