inner city and the democratic party

[Joe]

How do you feel about the tired, the poor, the huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of teeming shores, the homeless and the tempest-tossed?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Joe

How do you feel about the tired, the poor, the huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of teeming shores, the homeless and the tempest-tossed?

depends....are they coming here for opportunity and the chance to work for a better life for themselves and their children or are they coming here to become generationally dependent on government programs and as such, loyal democrat voters in return for subsidising their existence ?...

[justplugit]

As long as they come here legally i have no problem, it's our own poor citizens that concern me.

The free handouts by the bleeding heart, vote wanting politicians, have kept our poor down with little or no hope.
These handout politicians have no clue what it's like to live in the inner city, let alone what really needs to be done to help.

They want the vote, period.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by scottw

depends....are they coming here for opportunity and the chance to work for a better life for themselves and their children

The ones that come here illegaly usually are here for just that reason....to work and support their families. Should they be entering the country legally......absolutely.

Originally Posted by scottw

or are they coming here to become generationally dependent on government programs and as such, loyal democrat voters in return for subsidising their existence ?...

These are usually the ones that are here Legally...and US Citizens....they are the ones that are lazy and s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g on the government teat.

These are 2 seperate problems and if they want to fix both of them they need to treat them that way....if they lump them together it will just go on and on and on and on............

[scottw]

this is beautiful!

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[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by scottw

this is beautiful!

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Well of course. How are "income eligible" people going to make their drug deals without a cell phone?

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

These are usually the ones that are here Legally...and US Citizens....they are the ones that are lazy and s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g on the government teat.

Yes, to a great extent, I agree with you. Although there are also the illegals that do come here for the handouts. But the legals who you speak of that suck on the big teat are the descendents of immigrants who came here for the original American dream of freedom to work for their quality of life. Their children, that they worked hard to educate, learned in our school systems and our mainstream media that they and other minorities were oppressed, and this oppression was the cause of poverty and all its ills. And the way to defeat that was to vote for those who would help rather than oppress. They learned about the compassion of liberalism, and the promise of the party that would eliminate poverty, not by the hard work of their parents, but by government fiat. By government largesse. They were seduced by that promise and helped to spread the message of that dream. And it became easier for their generation and their children, in times of dire need, to suck on the teat than to suck it up, and that dream expanded into the underclass nightmare of a generational underclass society constantly looking to the teat for survival and by that necessity, perpetually voting to sustain it.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

These are usually the ones that are here Legally...and US Citizens....they are the ones that are lazy and s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g on the government teat.

As is the major issue of the United States' Open-Door Policy on immigration.

What this country needs to do is restrict all immigration (and working Visas) to those people that will actually benefit society. This country needs to get out of the business of making everyone feel good, and back into the business of getting our heads above the water.

You have a Master's Degree and are already set up with a job? Welcome to America!

You're 35 years old, don't have a secondary education nor any technical training skills? Goodbye!

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

As is the major issue of the United States' Open-Door Policy on immigration.

What this country needs to do is restrict all immigration (and working Visas) to those people that will actually benefit society. This country needs to get out of the business of making everyone feel good, and back into the business of getting our heads above the water.

You have a Master's Degree and are already set up with a job? Welcome to America!

You're 35 years old, don't have a secondary education nor any technical training skills? Goodbye!

I'm 90% onboard with this.....But I don't feel they need to come here all trained and ready to go.....If they want to come here....willing to work for what they get I'm OK with that....If that means janitor by night and schooling during the day......so be it.

Just come here and plan on working for your dream.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I'm 90% onboard with this.....But I don't feel they need to come here all trained and ready to go.....If they want to come here....willing to work for what they get I'm OK with that....If that means janitor by night and schooling during the day......so be it.

Just come here and plan on working for your dream.

Schools are already over populated and prices for a BA or advanced decree are increasing at an exponential rate.

No immigrant janitor will be making enough money to put themselves through school. So, they stop attending school because they can't afford it, or petition for one of the dozens of programs that will pay to put them through school.

These are people you might dub as "potential contributors to society". As I tell my sales people, you can't run a business on potential customers.

This country is like one big Charity Foundation. Let's get the homeless veterans and homeless children that already live here taken care of first, before we open the door to more people needing handouts.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

This country is like one big Charity Foundation. Let's get the homeless veterans and homeless children that already live here taken care of first, before we open the door to more people needing handouts.

Agree JD, but at this point how do we do it?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Schools are already over populated and prices for a BA or advanced decree are increasing at an exponential rate.

No immigrant janitor will be making enough money to put themselves through school.

Didn't say the guy had to go to Harvard Law School.....He could go to a trade school or take a course @ ITT Tech for all I care...as long as he comes here, Works, and pays his taxes I'd be happy to sit down and have a beer with the guy.

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

So, they stop attending school because they can't afford it, or petition for one of the dozens of programs that will pay to put them through school.

Instead of always looking at the worst case scenario....which of course will happen....how about looking at the best case scenario....where the guy actually does work hard and puts his kids though school and eventually get his own house.....That happens too you know

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

These are people you might dub as "potential contributors to society". As I tell my sales people, you can't run a business on potential customers.

Every Kid born in America is a Potential Contributor to Society. Until they stop Crapping their diaper or Raiding the refrigerator and enter the work force they really don't contribute do they?

Do you tell your Sales guys to ignore folks without giving them a chance to make a purchase? Or do you tell them to look at every opportunity that is presented as a Sales Opportunity

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

This country is like one big Charity Foundation. Let's get the homeless veterans and homeless children that already live here taken care of first, before we open the door to more people needing handouts.

Whats weird is I agree with this statement......I'm not saying that every dipchit that wants to come here should be allowed to stay....if they are here legally w/ a work visa you can see if they are productive....and they are welcome to stay....if not, See Ya.....Don't let the door knob hit ya where the good lord split ya.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I'm 90% onboard with this.....But I don't feel they need to come here all trained and ready to go.....If they want to come here....willing to work for what they get I'm OK with that....If that means janitor by night and schooling during the day......so be it.

Just come here and plan on working for your dream.

I agree 100%. My girlfriend did it while raising 2 kids. It's called the American Dream and it's still there( for now) for those that are willing to work for it. No excuses

[Fly Rod]

Maybe we should implement one or two requirements that the Aussie's have for citizenship

Skilled worker
Have a job
English language ability

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Joe

How do you feel about the tired, the poor, the huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of teeming shores, the homeless and the tempest-tossed?

If you're tired, get more sleep or take vitamins. If you're poor and able, get a better job or create your own. If you yearn to breathe free, blow your nose and learn to be independent--dependency is a sure road to loss of freedom. If you are a wretched refuse, you require quite a bit, how much you can do for yourself in that condition (what is a wretched refuse?) may be minimal--you may need some help, then, if you can ever recover from such a state, and if that state was caused by some power that reduced you to it, you will probably desire to be free of any power that can do it again, and you will probably cherish the freedom to resist it. Same for the homeless and tempest-tossed. The Statue of Liberty was given to us as gesture of our unique contribution to freedom and the individual's yearning to breathe that air. (That's just my twisted take on the gift--their was probably some yearning for Socialism in the giver--if so, send it back.)

My take on the overused phrase "the American Dream" is that the original American Dream was freedom. Somehow, that dream got debased to something like a house, a car, a chicken in every pot, and health care. Perhaps, freedom has become so taken for granted that we find it too burdensome to exercise the "eternal vigilance" required to keep it. The comforts that have ensued through freedom and hard work have become more valued than what has been required to gain those comforts.

I know, I know. . .the Statue of Liberty was a gift recognizing friendship between France and The U.S. But it has become a symbol of much more than that, the above is my personal symbolism, especially since that supposed friendship has so deteriorated.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by detbuch

My take on the overused phrase "the American Dream" is that the original American Dream was freedom. Somehow, that dream got debased to something like a house, a car, a chicken in every pot, and health care. Perhaps, freedom has become so taken for granted that we find it too burdensome to exercise the "eternal vigilance" required to keep it. The comforts that have ensued through freedom and hard work have become more valued than what has been required to gain those comforts.

Well said.