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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

As I have been saying consistently, there are major issues with the HC bill but Republicans are allowing the Dems to pass whatever they want because the Conservatives would rather fling sh!t than address the issues like grown ups.

Perhaps you have not noticed that the Republicans have proposed alternative ideas. (Which might be due to lack of media coverage.) Tort reform certainly has been a "conservative" idea. But even if, as you say, the "Conservatives" would rather fling feces, wouldn't it be more to the point to criticize the Dems for passing "whatever they want" rather than rebuking the Repubs for "allowing" them to do it?

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by detbuch

wouldn't it be more to the point to criticize the Dems for passing "whatever they want" rather than rebuking the Repubs for "allowing" them to do it?

I do. Which is worse, the animals who run rampant or those that allow them. The Repubs are allowing unbuffered legislation to be drafted by spinning the contents of the bill in an effort to tarnish the Dems, as opposed to educating the public (without political, polar bias).

I agree with some of the Repub position, but I think their tactics as of late are allowing the Dems demonize them.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

I do. Which is worse, the animals who run rampant or those that allow them. The Repubs are allowing unbuffered legislation to be drafted by spinning the contents of the bill in an effort to tarnish the Dems, as opposed to educating the public (without political, polar bias).

The Republicans have been proposing health insurance reforms and proposals for some time, well before this current debate. For whatever reason, their ideas get no serious consideration, no traction. You may blame them for not being aggressive enough, for considering poll numbers, for being cowards afraid of losing the next Senate or House seat, but don't blame them for not proposing buffers. And their proposals were not meant to tarnish but to implement.

I agree with some of the Repub position, but I think their tactics as of late are allowing the Dems demonize them.

The Dems don't need the Repubs permission to demonize them. They are experts and have a long standing tradition of success in doing so.

[JohnR]

JohnnyD - I partially agree with you which is why we on slightly different sides of the center. Part of the problem is that in addition to a large segment of the populace not knowing what the issues are is electing a large segment of our representation that could give a rat's behind on the issues are

Another reason I'm a centrist - both party's suck.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Another reason I'm a centrist - both party's suck.

Couldn't agree more. The worst part about the election process is trying to choose the "least worst candidate" for a given position.