President Obama's health care--

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Raven

yes it's a free country.... but in our case it is not really our choice.

the company my wife works for makes the decision for us and recently switched from Tufts to Blue cross...

so, you basically follow what they provide you.

or you opt out of what your company provides and go get your own...I listened to a caller to a show who was a small business owner whine that he couldn't afford healthcare yesterday...appparently it was not high on his priority list...there ARE options...46% of the so-called uninsured 18-64 can afford health insurance and chose not to purchase it, probably in lieu of a nice car...

I've been self employed or more than 20 years, when BC/BS reached 1000/month to insure my family I began to look around, at the time in RI the options were BC/BS and United, everyone else had left the state probably due to the level of corruption exitsing between the dems in the state house and BC/BS making it impossible to compete..

I've been with Midwest National Life for years...my monthly premium for a family of 5 is 300/month...I pay for dental visits, checkups, persciptions up to a reasonable deductible out of pocket...hey, just like car insurance...I have relatively high deductibles for major medical but they are a fraction of the difference in yearly premiums that I was paying...allowing me to save

bottom line...if you want healthcare provided to you anytime, anywhere with low or no deductibles and co-pays simply flash a card....it is going to cost you...very attractive on it's face...never going to happen...this "reform" is a disaster if it is passed...

Obama claiming that he can provide the above at low cost is a joke...

[Raven]

the emergency room fee's just changed from 50 dollars per visit
to 150 dollars per visit and that's just ridiculous....


seems like the Doctors are all adamant to get you to go get a cat scan or an MRI (someone told me they get a kick back)
and then they don't seem to care about following up on the results after wards.

Orin Hatch just announced today: He's out and no longer going to debate health care...

that's what his JOB is....

what if all politicians suddenly took his position.

Generally it takes a team of wild horses to drag me to a Doctors office in the first place.

[scottw]

have you checked different emergency rooms or clinics for prices? this is part of the problem, people will drive miles out of the way to get 10 cent cheaper gas or buy in bulk at BJ's but never "shop" for perscriptions, Dr. visits or other health care in general, it's because they've been conditioned to believe that they can just go get whatever they want or need and someone else will take care of everything...

and now they're told "healthcare(insurance) is a right", when in fact what you are losing is all of your rights as a user of the healthcare system to a large and oppressive government

would you prefer $10 per visit and Larry, Mo and Curly for doctors? "calling Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine"

[Raven]

Originally Posted by scottw

would you prefer $10 per visit and Larry, Mo and Curly for doctors? "calling Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine"

I called Blue + Shield and got sent around the merry go round
with the Autobot recordings ... 6 times

Same thing when i called the hospital just to see what an emergency room visit costs.... and i was transfered 5 times
then i got this DAN characters voice mail and he ain't there.

i guess i lacked a siren....

[justplugit]

So, aside from the fact that the millionaires will pay for health care,
what did the American people learn from the President's infomercial/ press conference
on Health-Care?

Almost damaging to your brain to try and figure this stuff out.

[Fishpart]

"It will be at a lower cost" which really means what healthcare you get will be rationed so don't get old or really sick....

Why get government involved? If we could drive down the cost of the insurance Dr's pay, we could cut healthcare costs... Oh, I forgot all the lawmakers are lawyers how stupid of me.

Interesting information I got from another source:
The biggest argument for healthcare reform is the uninsured. The number reform advocates like to use is 46 million or a little over 15% of the population. The reformers never tell us who these people are or why they are uninsured. Doing so would damage their attempt at wholesale changes. According to the Census Bureau in 2007, 9.7 million or 21.0% are non-citizens. There are 18.3 million or 40% of the uninsured are young adults in the 18 – 34 age range. Many of these people don’t see the necessity of paying a health care premium when they are young and healthy. In 2005, the Kaiser Foundation found out that 6 million of the 8 million uninsured children were eligible for existing Federal health insurance, but were not enrolled. 3.1 million parents of these children were also eligible for Federal programs, but were not enrolled. These groups compose over 70% of the uninsured. If you don’t believe that age should be a determining factor in health insurance cover!age, the Census Bureau breaks down the income range of the uninsured. 17.5 million have incomes of $50,000 or more, which goes against the advocates’ picture of everyone being poor, and thus unable to afford coverage.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by Fishpart

Why get government involved?

That's what i say. Ford just posted a 2 billion dollar profit with 0 government help.

Just let capitalism do it's job.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by Fishpart

Interesting information I got from another source:
The biggest argument for healthcare reform is the uninsured. The number reform advocates like to use is 46 million or a little over 15% of the population. The reformers never tell us who these people are or why they are uninsured. Doing so would damage their attempt at wholesale changes. According to the Census Bureau in 2007, 9.7 million or 21.0% are non-citizens. There are 18.3 million or 40% of the uninsured are young adults in the 18 – 34 age range. Many of these people don’t see the necessity of paying a health care premium when they are young and healthy. In 2005, the Kaiser Foundation found out that 6 million of the 8 million uninsured children were eligible for existing Federal health insurance, but were not enrolled. 3.1 million parents of these children were also eligible for Federal programs, but were not enrolled. These groups compose over 70% of the uninsured. If you don’t believe that age should be a determining factor in health insurance cover!age, the Census Bureau breaks down the income range of the uninsured. 17.5 million have incomes of $50,000 or more, which goes against the advocates’ picture of everyone being poor, and thus unable to afford coverage.

Yes, when you dig a little deeper you find statistics that don't support the 47 million people they say are not insured.

The Urban Institute reports 25% of the uninsured already qualify for some medical insurance program.

The National Bureau Of Economic Research says, "Based on plausible definitions and assumptions, health insurance is affordable for
between 3/4 and 1/4 quarters of adults who are NOT insured.

Those #s go along with what i heard on the news todaythat 43%
of the 47 million can afford insurance but choose not to buy it for whatever reasons.

That would drop the # of uninsured who can't afford insurance to 27 million people.

While there is a need for Health Insurance for the unemployed looking for work, and those that are truly disabled, imho there is no reason to revamp and change our whole current medical system for 277 million people to accommodate 27 million people.

JR may need to check my math, as usual.