President Obama's health care--

[Raven]

Originally Posted by scottw

The World Health Organization ranked the United States No. 1 out of 191 countries for being responsive to patients' needs, including providing timely treatments and
"a choice of doctors".

i have to dispute that statement because your health insurance provider dictates to you which Doctors you may choose from.

Then, you have to determine whether or not they are accepting
new patients ESPECIALLY when seeking a new primary care physician....

the worst thing about health care as i see it...

is the referral system which is left entirely up to the patient to follow up on to make sure they received it or you are billed IN FULL by the specialist's services. It's almost completely worth it to wait for a written referral letter and give the specialist's staff a copy to avoid this billing issue.

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by Raven

i have to dispute that statement because your health insurance provider dictates to you which Doctors you may choose from.

Then, you have to determine whether or not they are accepting
new patients ESPECIALLY when seeking a new primary care physician....

the worst thing about health care as i see it...

is the referral system which is left entirely up to the patient to follow up on to make sure they received it or you are billed IN FULL by the specialist's services. It's almost completely worth it to wait for a written referral letter and give the specialist's staff a copy to avoid this billing issue.

Raven, he's using a statement from W.H.O. that compares health care in the US to other countries. Do you really think you would have more choices of physicians in another country? I haven't looked into it, but I'd be willing to bet my plug collection that there are more doctors to choose from with major health insurance companies here than there are in other countries.

[scottw]

and in a free country you may change healthcare providers if you don't like the doctors in their particular network, would prefer to have the government and it's bureaucrats determining who, when and for what treatments you may seek medical care...DO ANY OF YOU ACTUALLY READ WHAT IS HAPPENING IN OTHER COUNTRIES WITH GOVERNMENT ADMINISTERED SYSTEMS....or do you simply trust Obama's brilliance..OBAMA IS A LIAR....he has to constantly hold these "press conferences" to continually reinforce his lies...it's tough work...

[Raven]

yes it's a free country.... but in our case it is not really our choice.

the company my wife works for makes the decision for us
and recently switched from Tufts to Blue cross...

so, you basically follow what they provide you.

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by Raven

yes it's a free country.... but in our case it is not really our choice.

the company my wife works for makes the decision for us and recently switched from Tufts to Blue cross...

so, you basically follow what they provide you.

It's still your choice. Your wife can quit her job and go somewhere else that offers the insurance you prefer ,or she can decline coverage and go to whatever doctor you want and pay out of pocket. It's really pretty simple. No plan is going to make everyone happy.

How do you think other countries have it better than us?

[Raven]

that is an option true

just not realistic.... for us.

i made no comparison between the USA
and other countries

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Raven

yes it's a free country.... but in our case it is not really our choice.

the company my wife works for makes the decision for us and recently switched from Tufts to Blue cross...

so, you basically follow what they provide you.

or you opt out of what your company provides and go get your own...I listened to a caller to a show who was a small business owner whine that he couldn't afford healthcare yesterday...appparently it was not high on his priority list...there ARE options...46% of the so-called uninsured 18-64 can afford health insurance and chose not to purchase it, probably in lieu of a nice car...

I've been self employed or more than 20 years, when BC/BS reached 1000/month to insure my family I began to look around, at the time in RI the options were BC/BS and United, everyone else had left the state probably due to the level of corruption exitsing between the dems in the state house and BC/BS making it impossible to compete..

I've been with Midwest National Life for years...my monthly premium for a family of 5 is 300/month...I pay for dental visits, checkups, persciptions up to a reasonable deductible out of pocket...hey, just like car insurance...I have relatively high deductibles for major medical but they are a fraction of the difference in yearly premiums that I was paying...allowing me to save

bottom line...if you want healthcare provided to you anytime, anywhere with low or no deductibles and co-pays simply flash a card....it is going to cost you...very attractive on it's face...never going to happen...this "reform" is a disaster if it is passed...

Obama claiming that he can provide the above at low cost is a joke...

[Raven]

the emergency room fee's just changed from 50 dollars per visit
to 150 dollars per visit and that's just ridiculous....


seems like the Doctors are all adamant to get you to go get a cat scan or an MRI (someone told me they get a kick back)
and then they don't seem to care about following up on the results after wards.

Orin Hatch just announced today: He's out and no longer going to debate health care...

that's what his JOB is....

what if all politicians suddenly took his position.

Generally it takes a team of wild horses to drag me to a Doctors office in the first place.

[scottw]

have you checked different emergency rooms or clinics for prices? this is part of the problem, people will drive miles out of the way to get 10 cent cheaper gas or buy in bulk at BJ's but never "shop" for perscriptions, Dr. visits or other health care in general, it's because they've been conditioned to believe that they can just go get whatever they want or need and someone else will take care of everything...

and now they're told "healthcare(insurance) is a right", when in fact what you are losing is all of your rights as a user of the healthcare system to a large and oppressive government

would you prefer $10 per visit and Larry, Mo and Curly for doctors? "calling Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine"

[Raven]

Originally Posted by scottw

would you prefer $10 per visit and Larry, Mo and Curly for doctors? "calling Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine"

I called Blue + Shield and got sent around the merry go round
with the Autobot recordings ... 6 times

Same thing when i called the hospital just to see what an emergency room visit costs.... and i was transfered 5 times
then i got this DAN characters voice mail and he ain't there.

i guess i lacked a siren....