President Obama's health care--

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by justplugit

Being it would be a Federal program, it could become a plan requirement and
should be, illegal drug abuse is a costly health problem.

Exactly. A government that will fine tobacco agencies for public health costs should also protect *my* interests by testing people on public assistance for drugs - because of the public health costs of course. The government has to justify policies like that as them protecting people from themselves.

[striperman36]

We all use drugs, it's the Feds and lobbyist money that decide which are legal

[justplugit]

Pretty interesting, just returned from a Town Hall Meeting with my Congressman on Health-Care.

Main concerns from the people were, afraid company plans will fold and leave it all up to the government plan with no choice, the speed at which this plan is being pushed on us, and where the money is coming from to pay for it in this economy debacle.

A poll was taken on:
Are you willing to have your taxes increased to pay for it?
Are you willing to pay an extra $1000/yr ?
Are you willing to pay an extra $2500/yr ?
Are you willing to pay an extra $4000/yr ?

70% said they were unwilling to have a tax increase to pay for it.

People are starting to wake up to the fact this is going ahead way to fast, questioning what quality of care they will get compared to private plans , and howand where the $$$ are coming from to pay for it.

[Raven]

that our PCP PRIMARY CARE PHYSICIAN

is booked thru the middle of 2010 already
for physicals.

[Joe]

McDonald's, Wendy's, Burger King, KFC - They're profiting off contributing to heart disease and diabetes while not offering health care to most of their employees. This is where many of the 50 million without health care are working. The uninsured eventually get sick and the taxpayers pick up the bill. The profits and the jobs are outweighed by the social liabilities they incur. So F-them - they're one click above tobacco companies.

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by Joe

McDonald's, Wendy's, Burger King, KFC - They're profiting off contributing to heart disease and diabetes while not offering health care to most of their employees. This is where many of the 50 million without health care are working. The uninsured eventually get sick and the taxpayers pick up the bill. The profits and the jobs are outweighed by the social liabilities they incur. So F-them - they're one click above tobacco companies.

I'm not going to defend fast food joints, but what does the employee without health insurance have to do with the customer eating the unhealthy food?

Don't most people who eat a lot of fast food know the health risks associated with it? Smokers know that what they do is most likely going to eventually kill them. The fat guy chowing down on a 6,000 calorie meal at McD's probably realizes that it's not so good for him when he's breaking a sweat while tring to button his pants.

If people took responsibility for their own actions instead of blaming the companies that provide the products, there wouldn't be so many health problems. As a society, we've given people too many excuses and they feel like they can do whatever they want and blame someone else.

[Joe]

Freedom. Choice. Personal Responsibilty. How's all this working out with respect to the healthcare crisis?

What about "Promote The General Welfare?" That is widely interpretted as to work together for the common good.

The fast food industry is contributing to the health crisis on two-fold front: By not insuring employees who in turn become a burden on the health system, while producing a harmful product to society. The fast food industry is clearly detrimental to the common good.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Joe

McDonald's, Wendy's, Burger King, KFC - They're profiting off contributing to heart disease and diabetes while not offering health care to most of their employees. This is where many of the 50 million without health care are working. The uninsured eventually get sick and the taxpayers pick up the bill. The profits and the jobs are outweighed by the social liabilities they incur. So F-them - they're one click above tobacco companies.

This isn't an issue about Fast Food joints making people fat. It's an issue of fat people making themselves fatter.

In this day, there is no scarcity of evidence that fast food in excess is terrible for you. That going to any of the above mentioned locations for meals regularly is putting you on the fast track to heart disease.

However, people need to take responsibility for their own actions. People know the food is bad for them. For example, I was at a Wendy's once and the guy in line in front of me was easily tipping 300+ on the scale. He ordered 2 large-sized Value Meals, then asked for a diet coke with each. After laughing about the diet coke, I assumed he was ordering for someone else. Until he sat down with both and finished them within 5 minutes.

I don't need the government to tell me what's good for me, and what's not good for me. All I need is the government to regulate companies so that they cannot be deceitful as to the contents of their food. *Then* I can make decisions for myself.

This is like the person who successfully sued McDonald's after she spilled coffee on herself because it was too hot.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

I don't need the government to tell me what's good for me, and what's not good for me.

But big government is going to tell a lot of us what we can and cannot
do when Health-Care is approved.

The Pentagon is already saying that military personnel should not be allowed
to smoke. Like that is dangerous compared to training for battle and being
in an active military zone.

Where is the freedom of choice?