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06-05-2009, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by buckman
You are taking an extreme position here JD. I don't think anyone should be apologizing for what the US has done in Iraq. We have lost lives to free a country from a brutal dictator. Something to be proud of. Our men and women are doing the right thing over their.
We do more for the world then anyone. If we have to remind the world of the sacrifices that were made then I see know problem with it. What if the US just ignored what went on beyond our borders. Not the utopia of a world that you envision. Like it or not, the world needs a strong US.
Your Yankee anology was pathetic in how it lacks respect for what the USA has done.
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The flaw in your entire post is your opinion that the US needs to be the world's police force. I disagree. I don't want my money going to rebuild other countries when the one I live in is far from perfect - with kids not having food on the table, veterans living on the streets, Mexican cartels ruining the South-west, etc.
Yes, we've lost a lot of lives "liberating" the Iraqi people. However, I'm willing to bet more Iraqi people have died since the US invasion than under Saddam's dictatorship.
I don't have some delusional opinion that the world is an utopia. But you seem to be under the insane opinion that through war, the US can make the world one.
My Yankee analogy personifies half your posts about how Obama doesn't have enough balls when he goes over there and how the world should bow to the American President like he's some Supreme leader of the world.
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06-05-2009, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyD
The flaw in your entire post is your opinion that the US needs to be the world's police force. I disagree. I don't want my money going to rebuild other countries when the one I live in is far from perfect - with kids not having food on the table, veterans living on the streets, Mexican cartels ruining the South-west, etc.
Yes, we've lost a lot of lives "liberating" the Iraqi people. However, I'm willing to bet more Iraqi people have died since the US invasion than under Saddam's dictatorship.
I don't have some delusional opinion that the world is an utopia. But you seem to be under the insane opinion that through war, the US can make the world one.
My Yankee analogy personifies half your posts about how Obama doesn't have enough balls when he goes over there and how the world should bow to the American President like he's some Supreme leader of the world.
You're out of your mind.
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What is lost to you is that the national security of this country is dependent on all the international good will and "police work" we do. To think otherwise is living with your head in the sand. You are the one that has lost touch with reality my friend. Millions were killed under Saddam. don't recall anyone saying "through war you can make the world one" Nice try JD
It doesn't take balls to speak the truth. It takes balls to lie through your teeth. Obama has huge balls. |
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06-05-2009, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by buckman
What is lost to you is that the national security of this country is dependent on all the international good will and "police work" we do.
It doesn't take balls to speak the truth. It takes balls to lie through your teeth. Obama has huge balls.
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Buck, you've really been spewing some seriously untenable arguments in this thread. Nothing new I guess...
It's funny how you think "international good will" is important when you need it to be, but write off all the arguments against policy that erodes it as necessary to our security.
You can't have it both ways.
You've said that Obama is lying and has empowered our enemies with this speech. Please post some specifics and back your argument up.
Otherwise it's just more fluff.
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06-07-2009, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by spence
Buck, you've really been spewing some seriously untenable arguments in this thread. Nothing new I guess...
You can't have it both ways.
-spence
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I find you saying this ironic as hell.
Spence your blinded by your love for this guy. He has accomplished nothing good for this country since he took office. He has spent trillions to save the economy yet the jobless rate is at an all time high. We are in debt beyond what we will ever be able to pay back. He has crushed the dollar value and those hens are about to roost. I feel he has weekened our security. He has created Czar afer Czar. Mishandled the Auto industry. He is a one man disaster that is doing to us, what the terrorist only dreamed they could accomplish. |
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06-07-2009, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by buckman
I find you saying this ironic as hell.
Spence your blinded by your love for this guy. He has accomplished nothing good for this country since he took office. He has spent trillions to save the economy yet the jobless rate is at an all time high. We are in debt beyond what we will ever be able to pay back. He has crushed the dollar value and those hens are about to roost. I feel he has weekened our security. He has created Czar afer Czar. Mishandled the Auto industry. He is a one man disaster that is doing to us, what the terrorist only dreamed they could accomplish.
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I think you forgot to read my posts 
The dollar is stronger than at this point last year, Cheney said that deficits don't matter, and Obama is practicing a reality based foreign policy that has a loooooonnnngggg way to go before he can correct all the damage that Bush did.
I have no love for Obama. This sounds just like the defense of Bush that his detractors are simply obsessed with the personalty rather than attacking the policy.
If you remember this thread was about Obama's speech in Eqypt and how you think it's made us less safe.
I've yet to hear any real analysis to back up this claim.
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06-10-2009, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
If you remember this thread was about Obama's speech in Eqypt and how you think it's made us less safe.
I've yet to hear any real analysis to back up this claim.
-spence
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Not to add to the pile...
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Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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06-10-2009, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by spence
I have no love for Obama. -spence
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Liar, liar, Brooks Brothers slacks on fire.
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Conservatism is not about leaving people behind. Conservatism is about empowering people to catch up, to give them tools at their disposal that make it possible for them to access all the hope, all the promise, all the opportunity that America offers. - Marco Rubio
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06-10-2009, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by fishbones
Liar, liar, Brooks Brothers slacks on fire.
Spence Obama
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Actually I believe Spence on this..... he doesn't have love for Obama, it is more of a lustful adoration. His love is reserved for Karl Marx  |
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