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Old 04-28-2009, 10:13 PM   #1
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you had me sympathizing (not that you care, nor should you honestly) till this post.. and since you threw out your opinion i guess i'll toss out mine. i mean it's only fair we all get too right?

where you lost me... is in the selfish over tone of this post. i understand the frustration of being out all night and then it seems like someone wants an easy path to the fish. but at the same time, is catching a few fish really more important treating a fellow fishermen (person at the least) with some respect? if you were having a rough night and just wanted to be left alone fine. everyone has nights like that. but for the reasoning to be "i was there longer and studied the area harder, so those are my fish" (which you can vehemently deny, but thats pretty much what you said about the night in question) is just re-donk-u-lous. in the 20 years i have fishing (mostly fresh mind you) i think there is one spot i picked out all my own with no prior knowledge. and i was 5 years old at the time. since then every single spot i have found has been the result of some one else's knowledge. whether i got it from reading a book or listening at bait shops etc. at some point some one else had previous knowledge of the spot/conditions/structure type/etc.. it would be unfathomable to think that at some point in time that any spot i or you fished was not known to someone else at some point. and more than likely the same info that steered you to that spot probably steered others.

thats not say that their aren't instant tips that people chose to, or chose not to give for certain spots. but i am willing to bet with 125% certainty that you learned about that type of structure to fish from some one else willing to divulge the information about it.

let's look at it like this. you have never fished before. some one hands you a rod and reel. and let's say... a popper. keep in mind you have no idea how to fish. or even what fish are out there. and this person says catch a striper. with no further instructions. what the heck would you do? i am willing to bet you wouldnt be catching any fish.

point being fishing is a sport of information. for someone to assume that someone else is not going to be out there scouting and asking around for info is ridiculous. infact 90% of the sport revolves around the sharing of info and ideas. (the other 10% is radical new ideas that then ofcourse get shared) even that crap you read on the packaging of plugs was at one time probably "top secret" info. that is if everyone followed that same rational of "i found this out so it's mine". you probably wouldn't have a leg to stand on. and neither would i nor would 90% of fishermen out there today.

it's just like every other craft out there. trial and error. LOTS AND LOTS of ERROR passed on from generation to generation. with out any of the passing on of knowledge what do any of us have? a bunch of gear we have no idea what to do with.

i have learned sooooooooo much about fishing from other people i can't even begin to sum it up. but with out all those random people i have run into. including these boards. i would be beyond lost. i probably still wouldn't know to look for structure at all. hell i probably wouldn't even know what the fish ate. let alone where to fish for them.

like i said i understand a bad day wanting to be left alone. we all have days like that and go out and do what we enjoy to help relieve the stress. and will lie or ignore people just due to not wanting to deal with people. (though PERSONALLY the last thing i do when i want to ignore people is go outside, don't have the liberty of consistently empty spots) but to say you ignored this guy because (for whatever reason) you are entitled to the fish there, is in MY opinion, completely the wrong thing to do.
At no point have I denied that there is a selfish aspect to the whole thing. I have enough respect for myself and him not to lie 5 seconds into a conversation. I could run into him again, and would rather be thought rude or secretive than a liar. I've said all along he wasn't paying his dues. I'm just PO'd over someone just showing up and wanting something handed to them. I've fished the spot for some 30 years. I've seen many "regulars" come and go, and here comes someone I do not recognize essentially asking for information. It wasn't as if he was there and saw me catching while he was struggling, and asked me what I was using or if I was doing something than he was. There is something to be said for putting some time in. Phrased the right way, in the right context, I have no problems answering questions and helping someone. But to show up and ask if fish are there, nope. Put the time in and maybe see some fish pushing bait, or maybe even see someone else catch, or holy smoke, catch fish on your own!!!
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Old 04-29-2009, 07:03 AM   #2
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Old 04-29-2009, 10:26 AM   #3
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I'm just PO'd over someone just showing up and wanting something handed to them.
all he asked was "any luck?" i still dont see how u are "handing" him something... its not like hes gonna pack up and leave if u said no




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So let me inflame the conversation.

About 7 or 8 years ago I posted this story and got severly chastised for my response. Let's see what comes out of it this time.

So it's 2 in the morning. I am out on a reef in RI. 472 miles of coat line and this guy is coming out.

Here comes a light wading the reef right to the only rock you can stand on in reasonable safty at this point in the tide. This guy finally get on my rock an elbow away and says, yep you guess it, "Any Luck".

I told him to get the #**^&% off of my rock.

Was I insensitive or do I have a right to protect my turf?

No boat, back in the suds.
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Old 04-29-2009, 11:09 AM   #5
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So let me inflame the conversation.

About 7 or 8 years ago I posted this story and got severly chastised for my response. Let's see what comes out of it this time.

So it's 2 in the morning. I am out on a reef in RI. 472 miles of coat line and this guy is coming out.

Here comes a light wading the reef right to the only rock you can stand on in reasonable safty at this point in the tide. This guy finally get on my rock an elbow away and says, yep you guess it, "Any Luck".

I told him to get the #**^&% off of my rock.

Was I insensitive or do I have a right to protect my turf?
In your case, you had every right to have the rock to yourself. If it was a huge rock where he could fish a decent distance away, you shouldn't have a problem. But it sounds like he was on top of you. And, you were there first.

I'd be willing to bet that since he knew right where to go, he probably thought that it was you on "his rock", though. He probably walked away thinking to himself "I can't believe that jerkwad rockblocked me".

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Old 04-29-2009, 11:34 AM   #6
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So let me inflame the conversation.

About 7 or 8 years ago I posted this story and got severly chastised for my response. Let's see what comes out of it this time.

So it's 2 in the morning. I am out on a reef in RI. 472 miles of coat line and this guy is coming out.

Here comes a light wading the reef right to the only rock you can stand on in reasonable safty at this point in the tide. This guy finally get on my rock an elbow away and says, yep you guess it, "Any Luck".

I told him to get the #**^&% off of my rock.

Was I insensitive or do I have a right to protect my turf?
Big difference between being mugged and a simple "Any Luck Greeting"...

And to think after that you and rockhound became the closest of fishing partners. One of life little quirks I guess.

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Old 04-29-2009, 11:46 AM   #7
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Big difference between being mugged and a simple "Any Luck Greeting"... And to think after that you and rockhound became the closest of fishing partners. One of life little quirks I guess.
I remember that story well, same year the DEM guy did the same thing
It wasn't me If I had been there I would have been on the rock 20yds to the right of Paul...

Eben did that to Paul once though...

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Big difference between being mugged and a simple "Any Luck Greeting"...

And to think after that you and rockhound became the closest of fishing partners. One of life little quirks I guess.
agreed

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In your case, you had every right to have the rock to yourself. If it was a huge rock where he could fish a decent distance away, you shouldn't have a problem. But it sounds like he was on top of you. And, you were there first.

I'd be willing to bet that since he knew right where to go, he probably thought that it was you on "his rock", though. He probably walked away thinking to himself "I can't believe that jerkwad rockblocked me".
and agreed again.

i woulda drowned that guy

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Old 04-29-2009, 03:58 PM   #9
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I remember that story well, same year the DEM guy did the same thing
It wasn't me If I had been there I would have been on the rock 20yds to the right of Paul...

Eben did that to Paul once though...
Bryan, you are right!!! He did! I forgot about that.

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"WHATS UP" doesnt mean someone wants to know what's directly above your head in the sky where you are standing, just like "any luck" doesnt mean "tell me what youve caught, when, using what, and casting it where..." you follow?
I know he didn't ask all that. But did you see my thought on this?

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While "Any luck?" is a common greeting, in my opinion, it is also a way for someone to glean info from you.
In my opinion, he wanted confirmation of whether there are fish there. As I already explained, there is either yes, no, or no reply. If he wants to know if fish are around, he can either go to a report site, subscribe to a magazine with reports, or be there when the fish are. For the same reason I don't go and report where and what I am catching, I'm not inclined to tell someone I don't know that fish are present at a spot I'm fishing. He'll have to find out from someone else or be present when the fish are .

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So let me inflame the conversation.

About 7 or 8 years ago I posted this story and got severly chastised for my response. Let's see what comes out of it this time.

So it's 2 in the morning. I am out on a reef in RI. 472 miles of coat line and this guy is coming out.

Here comes a light wading the reef right to the only rock you can stand on in reasonable safty at this point in the tide. This guy finally get on my rock an elbow away and says, yep you guess it, "Any Luck".

I told him to get the #**^&% off of my rock.

Was I insensitive or do I have a right to protect my turf?
While my spot isn't quite this small, 4 guys would be a crowd. And being I didn't confirm the fish were there, no one else but a friend I clued in has been there the last 3 mornings .
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So let me inflame the conversation.


I told him to get the #**^&% off of my rock.

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Piemma, first let me say as a newbie to this site, I have learned a lot from your posts. Fatherhood forced me to recently switch from the boat to the surf, so I have a lot to learn.

You asked for comments on your story. Different people have different levels of tolerance, and situations are different. When I first started in the surf, I hit the Quonnie breechway on a Wednesday night at 1 AM. I was the only one there. All of a sudden a few more guys show up. Why can't I tell THEM to get off my rock?

I guess you could have used it as a learning situation for that guy, and politely explained to him the courtesy surfcasters are expected to show on eanother. I'm new at this, and I fish alone most of the time, so I can certainly see the possibility where I'm doing something that an experienced surfcaster might not like. If that's the case, I welcome any insights and tips on how to improve. Constructive criticism is fine.

With all due respect, if your first reaction was to tell me to get the ^*%$@# of "your rock", I would politely reply, "or what"? You're seriously going to take a swing at me over a public fishing spot? You're seriously willing to hurt me, get hurt yourself, get arrested, get sued, over a fishing spot?

Lots of internet chest-thumping on this topic. I can't believe so many of you are that confrontational. Not typical of my experience, where boaters and fisherman have shown to be friendly, helpful, and laid-back. I'll chalk it up to being internet tough guys, I hope that's what it is...or I sure don't belong here.
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Well you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

You have to understand where I was and the time in the morning and the fact that there are 30 other spots to fish within 100 yards of where I was standing. You also need to understand that this guy waded through water, for a considerable distance, to get to me. He could see that it's one rock about 6 feet across and there is only room for one guy.

If he was wise he would have gone right by me as surfcasters are a solitary lot. If I wanted a fishing partner RI Rockhound or Nebe or JoeP would have been with me.

No, I wouldn't have gotten violent. If he didn't leave I would have calmly reliquished my spot to him, waded back to land and then shined my light on him for the next hour.

If you think that surf casting is a team sport you probably shouldn't be here. 30 years ago when we were market hunters and sold fish for serious money it would have been a different story. Ask some of the old guys about the days on The Back. The sharpies "carried" and it was war if there was encroachment.

Sorry you didn't like my reaction. I would be interested to see yours, in the same situation.

Suppose you were in your boat and a clown pulled up withing 10 feet of you. Would you offer him coffee and pleasantries or would you tell him to *&&%#$ off?

No boat, back in the suds.
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Well you are certainly entitled to your opinion.


Sorry you didn't like my reaction. I would be interested to see yours, in the same situation.

Suppose you were in your boat and a clown pulled up withing 10 feet of you. Would you offer him coffee and pleasantries or would you tell him to *&&%#$ off?
First, as I explained, I was in that exact situation at Quonnie. I'm by myself, and all of a sudden these guys are right on top of me. I'm a very laid-back, non-confrontational guy, so I politely asked why they were gathering around me (as I said, it was my first time there). They explained the rotation, and I was fine with it, as I have never felt comfortable calling "firsties". If I'm in a spot, and someone else who can only fish once a week, drives for 3 hours to get to that spot, I'll accommodate him if I can.

In the boat, it has hapened many many times. The fish erupt right where I happen to be, and everyone comes zooming over. When it stops being fun, I move to somewhere where I can enjoy myself.

I'm out there to relax, recharge the batteries, and have fun, not to get in a fight. I did 2 tours in Iraq, I know what's worth fighting over, and what's absolutely not worth getting upset about.

Sorry if I assumed you were leaning toward violense. Get the $%@$ off my rock sounds like a threat to me.

I gather you bought a boat recently. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. I felt like someone cut a piece of my heart out the day I sold it, and I look forward to guying another once the time is right.

Fair winds and calm seas, and thanks for all the advice you give,

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Old 04-30-2009, 06:27 PM   #14
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nobody expects to be alone on a breachway but if someone tried to get on a rock i waded out to would get the same response from me that paul gave them

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Lots of internet chest-thumping on this topic. I can't believe so many of you are that confrontational. Not typical of my experience, where boaters and fisherman have shown to be friendly, helpful, and laid-back. I'll chalk it up to being internet tough guys, I hope that's what it is...or I sure don't belong here.
Nahh, Jim it's okay - ya don't have to go anywhere, surfcasters are just a different breed as opposed to their boating brethren that you're more used to -

For the most part, it's posturing, not unlike Gorillas in the Mist...

Of course, the threatening old silverback could be piemma...



This is from The Hibernian Center of Comparative Zoology:

"Surfcasters - like the rest of the simian world - can be fiercely territorial when provoked.

While the younger male surfcasters are gregarious and known to travel over a broad range in larger groups, the older male specimens often become solitary in their search for prey and tend to frequent a much smaller area

Ordinarily quiet and focused in their nocturnal search, they can become quite agitated if surprised or provoked and should be approached with caution in the wild.

Little else is known about the species given the difficulty of studying them without alerting them to the presence of the observer."




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I'd just say "Hey man, I been sittiin' here eatin' tabs of orange sunshine like they were M&M's since noon. I can't even see the water!!! There's water? What water?!? Did you know your face is all purple and melty with some squiggly lime green lines??? You shoulda' been here earlier when the pebbles washing up on the beach were chanting Inna Godda Da Vida!!! D you get a whiff of salt in the air around here?!? Why is it the sky so orange anyhow? You don't have an extra cap I can borrow to keep my head from exploding do ya?!?! Oh, Yeah...what was your qusetion??????????????

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I'd just say "Hey man, I been sittiin' here eatin' tabs of orange sunshine like they were M&M's since noon. I can't even see the water!!! There's water? What water?!? Did you know your face is all purple and melty with some squiggly lime green lines??? You shoulda' been here earlier when the pebbles washing up on the beach were chanting Inna Godda Da Vida!!! D you get a whiff of salt in the air around here?!? Why is it the sky so orange anyhow? You don't have an extra cap I can borrow to keep my head from exploding do ya?!?! Oh, Yeah...what was your qusetion??????????????
..and Tommy you know where I was

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