More common sense from the The White House

[Cool Beans]

Just seems to make sense to me, if you hire someone to act on your behalf and give them authority to make decisions for you, you are still responsible for any mistakes they make. You can delegate authority, but you can't delegate responsibility, thats why you should carefully pick those you want to make decisions for you.

[striperman36]

some administrative positions at carryovers from previous administrations.
I'd like to see any executive in business take that position.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Cool Beans

Just seems to make sense to me, if you hire someone to act on your behalf and give them authority to make decisions for you, you are still responsible for any mistakes they make. You can delegate authority, but you can't delegate responsibility, thats why you should carefully pick those you want to make decisions for you.

Responsibility isn't the same as culpability. Obama made an apology and said it will never happen again. Ultimately it was a gaff but not one that resulted in any real harm.

-spence

[striperman36]

Statement from Louis Caldera, Director White House Military Office, on Air Force One flight over New York


"Last week, I approved a mission over New York. I take responsibility for that decision. While federal authorities took the proper steps to notify state and local authorities in New York and New Jersey, it’s clear that the mission created confusion and disruption. I apologize and take responsibility for any distress that flight caused."


http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_...over-New-York/

[Cool Beans]

Originally Posted by striperman36

Statement from Louis Caldera, Director White House Military Office, on Air Force One flight over New York


"Last week, I approved a mission over New York. I take responsibility for that decision. While federal authorities took the proper steps to notify state and local authorities in New York and New Jersey, it’s clear that the mission created confusion and disruption. I apologize and take responsibility for any distress that flight caused."


http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_...over-New-York/

Conversation 30 minutes prior to this,

Caldera, "Don't worry Mr. President, I'll fall on the sword. You wait 30 minutes and say how upset you are and say you're sorry and will never ever ever let me near that plane again."

Obama, "OK that sounds good, get someone to que that up on the teleprompter for me."

[striperman36]

The guy had good credentials. Amazing

[buckman]

Originally Posted by striperman36

Statement from Louis Caldera, Director White House Military Office, on Air Force One flight over New York


"Last week, I approved a mission over New York. I take responsibility for that decision.I am a stupid a$$. While federal authorities took the proper steps to notify state and local authorities in New York and New Jersey, Nobody had the brains to point out what a stupid a$$ I am. It’s clear that the mission created confusion and disruption. I apologize and take responsibility for any distress that flight caused. Who could have guessed?And if you buy this, then you are a bigger stupid a$$ then I.

$320.000.00 Photo op...... Part of the Stimulas Bill maybe?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Cool Beans

Just seems to make sense to me, if you hire someone to act on your behalf and give them authority to make decisions for you, you are still responsible for any mistakes they make. You can delegate authority, but you can't delegate responsibility, thats why you should carefully pick those you want to make decisions for you.

There you have it - Pres. Bush is responsible for torture.

[Bronko]

* This is not about Bush

[buckman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

There you have it - Pres. Bush is responsible for torture.

What torture?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by buckman

What torture?

The same waterboarding torture that we prosectuted after WWII in the war crime trials.

[Cool Beans]

Originally Posted by PaulS

The same waterboarding torture that we prosectuted after WWII in the war crime trials.

You're not quoting Ted Kennedy are you? But he would be the expert on drowning, I mean simulated drowning (waterboarding)

Waterboarding cannot kill you, water on canvas may make you believe you are drowning but you're not going to die. It will definitely scare the crap out of you, but you are not in danger of dieing.

The WWII reference you made, yes the Japanese did simulate drowning by actually pouring water in your mouth and nose or dunking prisoners heads in barrels of water. This could kill you, and did kill some of the prisoners.

I just think it's funny that you would reference something Kennedy said on the house floor. Comparing waterboarding to the WWII instances is like comparing a kid shooting spitwads to a gang banger doing a drive by.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by Cool Beans

Waterboarding cannot kill you, water on canvas may make you believe you are drowning but you're not going to die. It will definitely scare the crap out of you, but you are not in danger of dieing.

Breaking someone's fingers one at a time can't kill you nor can having your toe nails pulled off one at a time. I guess those actions aren't torture either?

I think you might be confused on what torture actual is. There doesn't have to be a risk of death for actions to be torture.

Waterboarding has been internationally recognized as torture for quite some time now, including international documents the US has agreed with and signed.