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Originally Posted by Cool Beans
One question, it seems like you believe Al Gore explicitly, do you believe in "Man-Bear-Pig"?
As the temperatures increase on the Earth at almost identical rates to that on mars, I believe these increased temperatures that started people believing in Global Warming is caused be a long period of increased solar activity, not man. There is no way in hell, my gas guzzling Suburban is causing global warming on mars.
Also, the increased solar activity we did have seems to be over and we are starting a period with very little solar activity, so temps will cool more over the next 10 years or so.
*Global temperature shifts caused by solar activity does exist.
*Man made Global Warming and "Man-Bear-Pig" do not exist.
(for those that do not know of Man-Bear-Pig, he is a mythical creature that Al Gore made up and flipped out over on several episodes of South Park.)
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actually.. no. i believe in the natural cycles earth goes through. rapid climate change has happened many times before. it has gone a completely tropical planet to an almost barren ice world and back many times. humans have have just the privilege of living in one of it's rarest climates. temperate. no matter what the cause of global warming it's happening.
and actually to elaborate even further. i do believe that humans AREN'T helping the situation. people can claim all they want that we have no part in it.. but there are pretty basic scientific principles involved. of course why would the people calling the shots on a entire civilization built almost from the ground up on oil, admit to it. oil makes the word go round. till we find another viable option which they can charge more for. nothing will change. oil is here to stay. i'm not condemning it. i'm typing away on a key board and looking at monitor made of petroleum products. what can ya do?
the problem isn't really co2 emissions. it's our lack of self control. i was driving by pond meadow park a few weeks ago. what did i see? a fairly large area of land that used to woods right on the outskirts cut back to build houses. whether or not that was actually park property before hand i have no idea. but thats what we do. we chip away and chip away. there is currently a battle in sweden over the old forests there. they wanna start chopping down some of the oldest trees on earth.
we can't keep producing more carbon and removing more trees.
first law of alchemy. Humankind cannot gain anything without first giving something of value in return.
it's pretty much the way things work on a daily basis. when you are born you are created from cells that use proteins and what ever else. when you look at it from the whole. you end up being created out of the earth it self. all the way from the bottom of the chain up to you. and when you die you go right back and provide for the cycle to start a new. (hippy sounding i know)
but as a whole.. what have we ever given back?close to nothing. we take take take. hell everyone heres has seen what that attitude did/does to the fisheries. man kind has been/is doing that left and right all over the globe on even larger scales. for hundreds of years. how much longer do you expect everything to be ok?
that's all beside the point though. because natural climate change is something we have no control over what so ever. and with the damage we have already done. it wont be too fun. especially since people like to deny deny deny and not even explore the possibility it might happen. a lot of the time these are the same people who carry a gun and say "i have it just in case, but hopefully never have to use it." yet then turn around on issues like this and thought of having no control over something scares them so badly that instead of trying to prepare for that "just in case" and "hoping to never have to use it." they just are unwilling to accept it. it never ceases to amaze me.
i guess you could say no use crying over spilled milk. but the milk hasn't been spilled yet. so you can still take precautions to make sure that it doesn't get spilled.
but in the end it all comes back to money. if it's profitable to destroy the world they will. cause they have the money for necessities to ride it out. (barring an asteroid style armageddon) and then the best part is when all the suffering and dying are done with... they can just pop out of no where and resume controlling everything. even more so than before. doubt to many other people will emerge out of it with food stores and weapons..
yup i know. it sounds like i'm reaching pretty far for this. but there is always murphy's law.. so i'll keep on planning for the worst and hoping for the best.
one more addition.. ultimately this "natural" climate change could be a result of us. for what ever reason the ocean currents are shifting. i tend to believe we have way more to do with that than nature does. due to us constantly trying to battle the ocean and control it. (levies, dams, artificial reefs, dumping, canals, erosion "control" and yes possibly even big bad green house effect.) best part is in the end, mother nature will win. may not be tomorrow, may not be a week, a year, a decade or even a millennium. but eventually it will win. we can just hope we will be off this rock by then.
nooooow. swinging back to the topic at hand.. pretty much in agreeance with you on N Korea. how ever at this point S Korea has almost no say in the matter. S Korea is a pawn now. had the war ended 50 years ago. they would have. but now. not at all. now it's all up to democratic nations to decide the fate of the evil communist states. i mean.. show them the ways of democracy.
trust me i know sound like a liberal douche. but i'm just looking at the world from a far as a whole. personally i wish we wouldn't play so many political mind games and just start dropping bombs on areas that give us trouble, so we can get on with life. until one nation rules them all there will never be peace. and even then there still wont be peace. but it would definitely cut down on the stupid day to day bullsh*t. which has just become a hindrance to the progression of humans a whole.
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