Why I Won't Vote For OBAMA

[The Dad Fisherman]

Nothing wrong with following your religious beliefs when you vote, if thats what you want to do then thats your perogative....Its when those who are elected use their religious beliefs to dictate policy...Thats the issue that is scary

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Nothing wrong with following your religious beliefs when you vote, if thats what you want to do then thats your perogative....Its when those who are elected use their religious beliefs to dictate policy...Thats the issue that is scary

I think I agree in principle, but thats very hard to discern. For example, Obama wants health care for all. you can easily tie that back to his Christian beliefs in helping others. So, do we say he is violating the separation of church and state since his beliefs are dictating policy? Just a thought.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Nothing wrong with following your religious beliefs when you vote, if thats what you want to do then thats your perogative....Its when those who are elected use their religious beliefs to dictate policy...Thats the issue that is scary

So true..

For those against gay marriage- Dont marry your gay lover... Same goes for abortion.. against it... then don't have one. But don't tell other people how to run their lives.

[Bronko]

Originally Posted by Nebe

So true..

For those against gay marriage- Dont marry your gay lover... Same goes for abortion.. against it... then don't have one. But don't tell other people how to run their lives.

Lets just vote on it!

That will settle everything. You guys are up for that right?

[Bronko]

Originally Posted by Bronko

Lets just vote on it!

That will settle everything. You guys are up for that right?

Crickets....

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Bronko

Crickets....

it's been done Bronco, then a liberal activist judge legislates from the bench and overrules the will of the people...

Nebe: No my issue is with people who push their beliefs onto others.

How about this...the Right will keep their moral views to themselves in the Left agrees to keep their hands out of the Right's pockets....that'll starve most of the left out of existence...wait...is that moral??? OK, except what the Right agrees to give in charity which is pretty hefty when not being taxed to death....

don't usually get to play this much but the kids are home throwing up today...

[spence]

What I find so ironic about so many who claim to be Republicans, is that their leadership for the most part displays the exact same contempt for free will that they claim Democrats embody.

Libertarians are usually a bit more true in this regard, except when they're making fun of liberals.

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by Nebe

So true..

For those against gay marriage- Dont marry your gay lover... Same goes for abortion.. against it... then don't have one. But don't tell other people how to run their lives.

ahh, so nebe, your problem is really with governement, not religion.
Government does tell people how to run their lives! Dont make money, then dont touch mine, cant afford healthcare, dont make me pay for it, want to have 12 kids, you feed them, want to go to college" get a job.
And for the abortion issue, it looks like you also agree Roe vs Wade should be overturned, correct? That would put the decision of abortion on the states so that PEOPLE can vote, vs. the supreme court stating whether its legal or not.

[Nebe]

No my issue is with people who push their beliefs onto others.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by Nebe

No my issue is with people who push their beliefs onto others.

Nothing turns me off quicker than someone trying to convert my religious or political beliefs.

Our believes come from our life experiences and i believe the adage. "walk a mile in my shoes."

I betcha no one has ever changed their believes because of what has been posted here.

This forum allows us to have a modern day jousting contest, and a good one at that.

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by Nebe

No my issue is with people who push their beliefs onto others.

Like those that believe wealth should be spread around?

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Like those that believe wealth should be spread around?

Isn't that what our current tax system does? I'm sure you're not out to end taxes are you? (granted, it would be nice)

-spence

[Nebe]

All the messiah wants to do is do away with bush's tax cuts..

[The Dad Fisherman]

ScottW, I don't even know where to begin....I'm dumbfounded as to where you got to there From what I posted here.

My value system is pretty well defined as far as I'm concerned.

Family 1st.....

Racism and Bigotry....I have no time for it, I try to instill in my kids not to judge a person by anything other than the quality of the person. (Don't really want to use the word judge here, but it early and my brain isn't working)

If someone needs my help.....I'll help them. "needs" being the key word and I try and instill this in my kids too as we do service projects for the community.

Abortion....Both me and my wife would never even consider it.

Gay Marriage....Both me and my wife would never even consider it (Although maybe he'd know enough to shut up during the game on Sunday...)

My Value system is also MY VALUE SYSTEM....not anybody elses.

and did you read my post here before you went on your tirade? I'm pretty sure that I said there's no problem voting with your religious beliefs

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Nothing wrong with following your religious beliefs when you vote, if thats what you want to do then thats your perogative....Its when those who are elected use their religious beliefs to dictate policy...Thats the issue that is scary

[scottw]

[QUOTE=The Dad Fisherman;631622]ScottW, I don't even know where to begin....I'm dumbfounded as to where you got to there From what I posted here.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RIJIMMY
what does this have to do with the topic?
(DAD)This whole thread is about letting Religion dictate who you vote for......
Quote:
Originally Posted by scottw
you are assuming that religeon dictates who people vote for and that's quite a leap.....
(DAD)What Leap??? This is exactly what was posted in the 1st post of the thread.

(DAD)Race and religion shouldn't come into play.....
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Last edited by The Dad Fisherman; 10-22-2008 at 08:15 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND
for all I care you can worship the Fonz, but keep it out of politics.
(DAD)Let Us AAYYY!

(DAD)and everything is open to interpretation.


you are indeed DUMBFOUNDED(not my fault)


gotta work so I can get some fishing in, hope everyone has a great weekend!

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by scottw

you are indeed DUMBFOUNDED(not my fault)

Still am...and yeah, it is your fault.

How did what I posted all of a sudden bring my values into question or label me a Religious Bigot....thats where I'm confused.

you are definitely reading into something that just is not there.....and I just don't see it.

[Nebe]

[justplugit]

Getting back to"why i won't vote for Obama."

Greenspan, financial guru?, denies he is responsible for the once in a century credit tsunami which has left him in a state of shock and disbelieve.

Meantime Biden says Obama will be tested in his first 6 months with a world wide crisis.

Now if Greenspan can't figure out what happened, how is a jr. Senator with 0 experience in finance going to know how to fix the economy?
Granted, Mc Caine said he didn't know a lot about economics, but at least he was honest.

Who would you trust to find the right people to get us out of this financial mess, a guy who's been around Washington for 35 years and knows everybody, or one around for 1 and 1/2 years who knows few if any economists?

Who would you trust to handle a world crisis as Commander in Chief, a guy who has spent his life serving his country in the military and senate, having visited and been in the trouble spots or one who has zero military experience and has only been out of the country twice?