Curious Question?/Peyton Manning!

[Raider Ronnie]

Both are great !
Not worth arguing.
Brady will never play for the Colts and Manning will never play for the Pats.

[Raider Ronnie]

I will say,
Tom has had a bit easier rd traveled being able to sit behind Bledsoe and learn for a few years.
Manning had the weight of the team on his back from day 1, starting from his rookie season.

[fishaholic18]

What the hell did Drew have to do with Tom? Drew proved several times that he sucked...

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by fishaholic18

What the hell did Drew have to do with Tom? Drew proved several times that he sucked...

Tom had the chance to sit back and learn instead of being thrown into the fire right away!
I'm pretty sure the only guy i've ever seen start as a rookie and play great was Dan Marino!

[BassDawg]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

Tom had the chance to sit back and learn instead of being thrown into the fire right away!
I'm pretty sure the only guy i've ever seen start as a rookie and play great was Dan Marino!

Dingdingdingding, DING!

And we have a winner! This debate is a good one and should be over before it starts; however, here's my take on it fellas.................

Manning is this generation's Marino.

Brady is this generation's Montana.

The only difference between Dan and Peyton is that Peyton has the one SB win that simply would not have happened had the refs climbed out of Polian's pocket in last year's AFC Title Game. And they almost gave it to them this year!!! Marino never could win the big one because of his lack of leadership characteristics under adverse conditions. If he ever got sacked, threw a coupla INT's (which were never HIS fault), or just plain threw the ball to the wrong place because he didn't want to get sacked he would have a major melt down. 'Ole Fidgety Feets', as I like to call the elder Manning, has that same pedigree and will always be an also-ran as long as #12 keeps suiting up for our beloved Pats. He will continue to post big numbers and pad huge stats into the Record Books ~like Marino did; but, he is not made of the same mettle as Mr Brady, athletic ability unquestioned!

The major similarity between Montana and Brady is, within the way that the student has become the master. Joe Montana himself admits that Tom Brady is better "in all facets of the game" than he was in his prime. Funny how the man that Brady patterned himself after, the QB that he wanted to most emulate, the reigning GOAT QB is all set to annoint his protege/his understudy/his shadow. Amazing how that transformation takes place, and that in so doing both men respect each other's place in history and both QB's remain humble and steadfast in placing their TEAM first.

And that is what separates Tom from Peyton.

Peyton gives lip service to the team concept and his insincerity is as blatant as his fake machinations at the line, the tossing up of his hands at blockers and receivers on and off the field, and his inability to get it done without Marvy and with various other injuries. I mean who does he really think he's foolin' with all that crap that he does at the line? Thank God he's come off of it a bit, recently.

Tom LIVES the team concept and this is realized in his winning of multiple Lombardi's with far less talent than the other guy, his inclusion of his O-Line in every single NFL Ad he's ever done, and by his coolness on the field. He knows that if he does his job to the best of his ability (which ain't too shabby by the way), and that if his teammates do thier jobs equally as well, then everybody's gonna be happy. This attitude also removes the weight of the whole team from off of his shoulders. He knows that the can count on his owner, his coach, his trainers, his line, his receiving corps, his own reads, his innate and learned abilities, but most of all he can count on his ability to lead under not so perfect conditions. When things go South, #12 is at his best and that type of intestinal fortitude translates to the whole team.

One more Lombardi ties him with Bradshaw.

The other #12,

the other TB, and

the other great QB of our time.

Although I gotta admit that Len Dawson was my first and longtime favorite QB, that is, until the next #16 showed in San Fran. Is there anyone else on this planet, besides The Blonde Bomber, that doubts Brady's greatness? Who among us thinks that Tom Brady is done after this season? Bradshaw is just waiting for Brady to equal his number of SB wins before he will agree with the rest of us. He is on record for saying that 19-0 will seal the deal from his viewpoint. The list of QB's that Brady has eclipsed is growing with each season and each successive Super Bowl Championship.

While both are very good and miles ahead of their closest competitors, it won't be long before Brady stands alone as the Greatest of All Time, and there are many fans/experts/former QB's who would say that that time is now!

[wrikerjr]

Originally Posted by fishaholic18

What the hell did Drew have to do with Tom? Drew proved several times that he sucked...

you think that bledsoe didn't teach brady somethings along the way? Brady is one of the 5 best qb's ever and may be the top one when its over, but to say he didn't learn under bledsoe is a niave statement.

[wrikerjr]

Originally Posted by Strike_King

You mean like holding on to the ball too long? Or forcing a pass that shouldn't be thrown?Or taking a long sack instead of getting rid of the ball?Or forcing it into coverage and geting a pick?Or not being able to make the hot read quick,getting happy feet,pinching a loaf and throwing it up for grabs? Which of those Bledsoe traits did he learn?Thankfully none...

What i remember about beldsoe was how he was the face of your franchise and took them from a 2 win season to a superbowl. Many times with so many passing attempts that it was not funny. I can't remember a QB who had to throw more than bledsoe! did he do all of those things you talk about, yes. Look at favre, he did all those things for the past few years. Wow you get favre a running game and some receivers and its the same brett favre.

How was he in that drive against pittsburg?

Are you saying that Brady learned nothing from Bledsoe. And if he would have had xy or z teaching him he would have been as good as he was a quickly???

[wrikerjr]

Originally Posted by Strike_King

You must have missed the pass the Drew threw RIGHT AT THE PITT'S LB he didn't even see.It bounced right off his chest and would have been a pick six had he caught it. If it wasn't for Mo Lewis,the Pats would have never won that first Super Bowl. NO WAY IN HELL that Bledsoe marches the Pats down the field in that drive that Brady did for the field goal..

selective memory my friend. Where was his O'Line???oke:

[wrikerjr]

I remember your precious brady needing a touchdown drive last year in Indianapolis and what happened, oh yea he found marlin Jackson but marlon was colt. OOOPS!!!

I don't remember brady ever leading a playoff comeback drive FOR A TOUCHDOWN when his team needed it. UI could be wrong but I don't remember it.

I remember your dynasty giving up a 21-3 halftime lead. That's a large lead to let go for a dynasty with the greatest coach ever. I remember NE being up with like 3 or 4 minutes left in that game and Brady couldn't keep the ball and you gave it back to the colts.

Maybe you forgot about that or maybe it was selective memory. Bledsoe was a good quarterback, try to think really really hard it will come back to you. he was also an excellent team player who always helped Brady and Brady always mentioned it and gave him thanks. Too bad the NE fans don't remember that.

This is up there with comparing jim rice to mickey mantle.

[Raider Ronnie]

So how would Brady have done if he had to start his rookie season ???
John Elway was one of the greatest ever, but he started in his rookie season and was pretty bad !

[wrikerjr]

Originally Posted by Strike_King

What does his O line have to do with making stupid decisions my friend???Funny..Brady took the same exact team,AND O LINE,to a Lombardi...I know it sucks that the Yankees and Cowboys are both done for the year,but please...

How many championships your teams have. When you get to my level lets compare. I am happy you are seeing some success, I honestly am, but the patriots are no cowboys franchise and the red sox compared to the yankees.

[wrikerjr]

Originally Posted by Strike_King

I think this year was the perfect example..Manning w/o his binky/safety blanket in Harrison being out most of the year struggled. Also down the stretch,the Colt's running game wasn't as productive as earlier in the year (take note all the Maroney haters out there who wondered why Maroney wasn't seeing time all year). Another words, when Manning isn't surrounded by a productive running game and all world receiver,he struggled. Brady's won three Super Bowls with the same exact type of team Manning had this season. We saw it in plain view during the Colts/Pats game in November..All the mediots were using the "But the Colts were injured" excuse for their..BS. Unless Manning or Brady are injured and out,neither team can use injuries as an excuse for a loss..And the only thing Brady learned from Bledsoe,is HOW NOT to play QB in the NFL..

I agree with 90% of that, but some of the reasons that the colts lost that game were miscues on the teams part, not necessarily manning. You rarely see the pat's make a miscue at all.

In a really tight bigtime game the colts will usually loose them, while the pat's will usually win them. the difference is BB and his team discipline.

You guys must hate beldsoe, but he was a very good quarterback and brady said that he taught him alot. Bledsoe carried your franchise for a number of years. I also remember Bledsoe playing with a broken finger on his right hand for several games just to get into the playoffs. If you had an offensive line or a running game bledsoe would have been better, that is not his fault. I remember bledsoe on his back a ton during his career especially with the pats. Didn't he also have a huge drive against the steelers when you almight brady hurt his ankle.

You guys really have very selective memories and love to bash ex-players. I would love to read what you say about your current patriots in 5 years or if they left the patriots.

[Raider Ronnie]

You guys really have very selective memories and love to bash ex-players. I would love to read what you say about your current patriots in 5 years or if they left the patriots.[/QUOTE]


Go into the archives and read some of their comments about Randy Moss when he played for the Raiders !
Some of them have also put down Adam Vinatieri since he's been a Colt!

[wrikerjr]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

You guys really have very selective memories and love to bash ex-players. I would love to read what you say about your current patriots in 5 years or if they left the patriots.

Go into the archives and read some of their comments about Randy Moss when he played for the Raiders !
Some of them have also put down Adam Vinatieri since he's been a Colt![/QUOTE]

I can tell how the memories here are. It's more about praising the current players and bashing ex-players or great players who are not on New England teams.

I am waiting for a thread on how overrated Troy Brown was.

without Vinatieri you don't even have a dynasty. I still think one day letting Vinatieri will cost you big time, although your kicker now is very good as well.

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

You guys really have very selective memories and love to bash ex-players. I would love to read what you say about your current patriots in 5 years or if they left the patriots.

Go into the archives and read some of their comments about Randy Moss when he played for the Raiders !
Some of them have also put down Adam Vinatieri since he's been a Colt![/QUOTE]
Like this?

Originally Posted by fishaholic18

I think just having Moss on the field is huge, they will HAVE to cover even double cover him, frees up other options and the run game. I like it. You know if he starts his crap...Bill will bench him and I'm sure there will be a stipulation in his contract that he has to be a good boy.

[fishaholic18]

Or this?

Originally Posted by fishaholic18

I'm hearing they want to deal him and a draft pick to the Pats. I wonder if Belichick can handle him, look what he did with Dillon.