$125/barrel and rising.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

The technology is just not there for it to be an economical reality. China is supporting the EV development and is likely ten years ahead of the American programs. 60 Minutes did an excellent piece on this in 2019. You can see it online if you have Paramount.
It's coming, but not a reality in today's world for the average family, in any country, excluding China because I don't know. In other words, we depend on fossil fuel for the time being. So time for Biden to pull a 180 for the good of the country.

We're not even close to being ready to transition to renewables. Decades.

TIME Magazine called Michael Shellenberger a "hero of the environment", he's a hard core green guy. Here, he writes an article about why renewables aren't viable to do much right now. And that nuclear is potentially a far better option.

https://www.wind-watch.org/documents...ve-the-planet/

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

We're not even close to being ready to transition to renewables. Decades.

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Only Conservatives think renewables are going to replace oil tomorrow.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Only Conservatives think renewables are going to replace oil tomorrow.
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they do? which conservatives think that?

You haven't seen ANY prominent liberals in the last 2 weeks, say that the answer to this crisis is renewed attention to renewables? Pete Buttigieg didn't essentially say that switching to electric cars was the way to avoid pain at the pump?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

they do? which conservatives think that?

You haven't seen ANY prominent liberals in the last 2 weeks, say that the answer to this crisis is renewed attention to renewables? Pete Buttigieg didn't essentially say that switching to electric cars was the way to avoid pain at the pump?

All of them.

Yes Jim the answer to the current issue is renewable energy! To prevent future issues of being dependent oil aka true energy independent not conservatives twisted definition of it

Again only the right is suggesting green energy is the answer to the current crisis are Republicans and you carry their water

Well, then. The Biden/Harris/Buttigieg/Psaki solution to high gas prices right now, today, is for all you urban, suburban, and rural Americans to go out and buy an EV.

Biden's renewable energy rush is making gas prices skyrocket Dec 2021

I haven’t seen any one suggesting electric cars are the quick fix

But it’s the same drum beat from the right drill baby drill. And that’s never worked .

Ps Oil prices are set on the global market and I doubt pausing oil leases on federal lands did anything to influence world markets

But conservatives seem to skip. That part and present oil prices are Controlled by the POTUS
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

All of them.

Yes Jim the answer to the current issue is renewable energy! To prevent future issues of being dependent oil aka true energy independent not conservatives twisted definition of it

Again only the right is suggesting green energy is the answer to the current crisis are Republicans and you carry their water

Well, then. The Biden/Harris/Buttigieg/Psaki solution to high gas prices right now, today, is for all you urban, suburban, and rural Americans to go out and buy an EV.

Biden's renewable energy rush is making gas prices skyrocket Dec 2021

I haven’t seen any one suggesting electric cars are the quick fix

But it’s the same drum beat from the right drill baby drill. And that’s never worked .

Ps Oil prices are set on the global market and I doubt pausing oil leases on federal lands did anything to influence world markets

But conservatives seem to skip. That part and present oil prices are Controlled by the POTUS
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You're saying that all conservatives think that " renewables are going to replace oil tomorrow."

Wayne, if ANYBODY with a clue thought that, oil would be plummeting in price, not skyrocketing.

"Yes Jim the answer to the current issue is renewable energy"

I agree. But that "answer" is literally decades away.

"only the right is suggesting green energy is the answer to the current crisis are Republicans and you carry their water "

gibberish.

Wayne, the right knows we need to pursue green energy, but unlike you, we accept the reality that it's decades away from being practical or feasible.

"Well, then. The Biden/Harris/Buttigieg/Psaki solution to high gas prices right now, today, is for all you urban, suburban, and rural Americans to go out and buy an EV."

Did you see or read what Buttigieg said? Just because it was stupid, doesn't mean he didn't say it. He said it. It was an unbelievably stupid, elitist, tone-deaf thing to say.

Your side is getting pummeled at every turn. Every turn.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You're saying that all conservatives think that " renewables are going to replace oil tomorrow."

Wayne, if ANYBODY with a clue thought that, oil would be plummeting in price, not skyrocketing.

"Yes Jim the answer to the current issue is renewable energy"

I agree. But that "answer" is literally decades away.

"only the right is suggesting green energy is the answer to the current crisis are Republicans and you carry their water "

gibberish.

Wayne, the right knows we need to pursue green energy, but unlike you, we accept the reality that it's decades away from being practical or feasible.

"Well, then. The Biden/Harris/Buttigieg/Psaki solution to high gas prices right now, today, is for all you urban, suburban, and rural Americans to go out and buy an EV."

Did you see or read what Buttigieg said? Just because it was stupid, doesn't mean he didn't say it. He said it. It was an unbelievably stupid, elitist, tone-deaf thing to say.

Your side is getting pummeled at every turn. Every turn.

How's that wall working? It wasn't magic, was it?
It seems that you think if there is a problem, everything should stop and we can only work on one resolution.
But as you have repeatedly said, more than one thing can be true at the same time.
We can work towards being less reliant on fossil fuels AND do what we can to reduce current pricing.
We cannot instantly drill wells, move crude to refineries and refine it.
Perhaps you would like this administration to impose price controls?

Unfortunately the shutdown of the oil industry due to lack of demand due to covid created a lag in supply, those lags always take time to resolve themselves.

https://www.cred.org/seven-steps-of-...as-extraction/

If we had done more to reduce fossil fuel reliance over the past 40 years, we and the rest of the developed world would currently have far less of an issue with Russia, the Saudis and other oil enabled dictators.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

How's that wall working? It wasn't magic, was it?
It seems that you think if there is a problem, everything should stop and we can only work on one resolution.
But as you have repeatedly said, more than one thing can be true at the same time.
We can work towards being less reliant on fossil fuels AND do what we can to reduce current pricing.
We cannot instantly drill wells, move crude to refineries and refine it.
Perhaps you would like this administration to impose price controls?

Unfortunately the shutdown of the oil industry due to lack of demand due to covid created a lag in supply, those lags always take time to resolve themselves.

https://www.cred.org/seven-steps-of-...as-extraction/

If we had done more to reduce fossil fuel reliance over the past 40 years, we and the rest of the developed world would currently have far less of an issue with Russia, the Saudis and other oil enabled dictators.

"It seems that you think if there is a problem, everything should stop and we can only work on one resolution."

Never came close to saying that, can't imagine how you could possibly conclude that.

Pursue green energy, invest in it. At the same time, look at nuclear plants to provide electricity, and figure out how to safely get every drop of oil out from American soil.

Not rocket science.

"We can work towards being less reliant on fossil fuels AND do what we can to reduce current pricing"

Which is obviously, exactly what I have been saying.

There's all the incentive in the world to achieve more reliance on renewables. People who succeed in that space, will be the richest people who ever lived. No further incentive needed. It's not that we aren't pursuing it. It's just not simple.

."Unfortunately the shutdown of the oil industry due to lack of demand due to covid created a lag in supply, those lags always take time to resolve themselves."

I'm not sure that's true. Opec doesn't have a lot of trouble increasing supply.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

We're not even close to being ready to transition to renewables. Decades.

TIME Magazine called Michael Shellenberger a "hero of the environment", he's a hard core green guy. Here, he writes an article about why renewables aren't viable to do much right now. And that nuclear is potentially a far better option.

https://www.wind-watch.org/documents...ve-the-planet/

Well, he’s right
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