Ukraine

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Never in my lifetime would i think that the Swiss would do that. Bravo to them.

and i’ve seen congressional republicans say confidently that the global sanctions will clobber russia

seems like sanctions never do what we hope they’ll do, usually they pulverize the innocent citizens and don’t effect the leaders much who are wealthy regardless. would be nice if these sanctions hurt Putin.

scary stuff.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by PaulS

How come no word about the Turkish drones the UKR has? Wonder if they have been ineffective?

Extremely effective. They need more of these than anything.

Originally Posted by nightfighter

PETE, THIS IS THE UKRAINE THREAD

Take your Trump hate and go elsewhere, or that thread.

The fact that Switzerland has broken with the past, and for the first time, frozen accounts, in line with EU sanctions is a huge development.

^^^^ This

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Scary that now Putin is really in a bad position and the influx of supplies and troops seems to indicate a renewed commitment to take the capital city. I certainly hope all the new sanctions and arms aid help them hold Russia a bay long enough for the impact in Russia to start to make him think twice about going further.

I hope he does not retaliate or escalate. There is still a ton of #^&#^&#^&#^& he can do. Make sure you keep your heating tanks and gas tanks full, and have some cash when the ATM's don't work.

And for all of the No Fly Zone talk, enforcing it starts WWIII

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Extremely effective. They need more of these than anything.








^^^^ This




I hope he does not retaliate or escalate. There is still a ton of #^&#^&#^&#^& he can do. Make sure you keep your heating tanks and gas tanks full, and have some cash when the ATM's don't work.

And for all of the No Fly Zone talk, enforcing it starts WWIII

Only an idiot would consider a no fly zone as helpful.

[nightfighter]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Only an idiot would consider a no fly zone as helpful.

I disagree 100%. Yesterday and today the talk is of the 40 mile convoy. Their progress could be stopped, dead in their tracks with a wing of A-10s or other NATO aircraft. (I am shocked the roads have not been destroyed by the UKR ahead of the advance.) This heavy convoy presents a perfect target. Mark my words, we will relish getting a second chance at a shot like this... The time is slipping away.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

I disagree 100%. Yesterday and today the talk is of the 40 mile convoy. Their progress could be stopped, dead in their tracks with a wing of A-10s or other NATO aircraft. (I am shocked the roads have not been destroyed by the UKR ahead of the advance.) This heavy convoy presents a perfect target. Mark my words, we will relish getting a second chance at a shot like this... The time is slipping away.

I had questioned why they hadn’t mined or dug up roads or placed barricades . But their leadership didn’t believe it was coming. They dropped the ball and now the want to be rescued by the west .

But sadly the loss of life in Ukraine will be horrible.! But if we or nato get involved it will jump 10 fold

Its a horrible way to look at it.
Yet it might be the responsible thing to do
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[spence]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

I disagree 100%. Yesterday and today the talk is of the 40 mile convoy. Their progress could be stopped, dead in their tracks with a wing of A-10s or other NATO aircraft. (I am shocked the roads have not been destroyed by the UKR ahead of the advance.) This heavy convoy presents a perfect target. Mark my words, we will relish getting a second chance at a shot like this... The time is slipping away.

Sounds like the convoy isn't moving very well at least for now. Reports of shortages of gas, food, morale is getting low and even some disabling their vehicles and walking away.

Saw a great video a guy took when he pulled up to a stopped armored personnel carrier in a town. He asks if they've broken down, the response no, we just ran out of gas. The driver asks if they need to be towed back to Russia and they just laughed.

John Bolton made a remark that a big reason for the timing of the invasion was simply that Russia wasn't ready. That seems clear.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Sounds like the convoy isn't moving very well at least for now. Reports of shortages of gas, food, morale is getting low and even some disabling their vehicles and walking away.

Saw a great video a guy took when he pulled up to a stopped armored personnel carrier in a town. He asks if they've broken down, the response no, we just ran out of gas. The driver asks if they need to be towed back to Russia and they just laughed.

John Bolton made a remark that a big reason for the timing of the invasion was simply that Russia wasn't ready. That seems clear.

So if it's clear that Russia isn't ready, then why did they invade?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by detbuch

So if it's clear that Russia isn't ready, then why did they invade?

it was the element of surprise in reverse...or something

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

So if it's clear that Russia isn't ready, then why did they invade?

John Bolton : “The fact is that [Trump] barely knew where Ukraine was. He once asked John Kelly, his second chief of staff, if Finland were a part of Russia. It’s just not accurate to say that Trump's behavior somehow deterred the Russians.”
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

So if it's clear that Russia isn't ready, then why did they invade?

Because his army was told to invade by Putin . You seem to think his generals have a lot of input and people stood up to Putin and said FYI boss were not ready. And he. Said okay
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[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I hope he does not retaliate or escalate.

The way things are going today it looks like escalation is already underway. Maybe he just wants to extract a million pounds of flesh before declaring victory to the Russian people. Then he'll look for another target and wave his nukies in everyone's face for the next 20 years.

Did you see the video of the Ukrainian Ambassador reading the text from the soon to be dead Russian soldier? Pretty disturbing unless it was disinformation.

[nightfighter]

[QUOTE=JohnR;1223485}
And for all of the No Fly Zone talk, enforcing it starts WWIII[/QUOTE]

It already has... That is the brutal truth. One last chance for total cease of operations and retreat, or else. We are there! No one wants to say it. But we are. Need to stop that particular battle group/convoy as effectively as possible. Because the chemical, thermobaric, and nukes are going to be used.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by nightfighter

It already has... That is the brutal truth. One last chance for total cease of operations and retreat, or else. We are there! No one wants to say it. But we are. Need to stop that particular battle group/convoy as effectively as possible. Because the chemical, thermobaric, and nukes are going to be used.

As long as NATO is not in contact with RUS then no, we are not in WWIII. People need to understand that Russia is showing major weakness right now with conventional forces but they still have thousands of nukes. If they were not a nuclear power things would be different. If NATO and Russian forces go to war, a lot more people are going to die, with a decent chance everyone does.

[piemma]

Years ago there was a theory postulated called the MARS theory.
Stands for the Mass Annulation Retaliation Syndrome. Basically, if a nuclear power pushes the button, then everyone will and .......

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by piemma

Years ago there was a theory postulated called the MARS theory.
Stands for the Mass Annulation Retaliation Syndrome. Basically, if a nuclear power pushes the button, then everyone will and .......

Yup if one goes, we all go, I’m hoping Putin isn’t off his kgb nut.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Yup if one goes, we all go, I’m hoping Putin isn’t off his kgb nut.

I don't think a single nuke in Ukraine would automatically lead to all out nuclear war. One talking head today said that Putin wants to be regarded as one of the great Russian leaders, if everyone is dead there will be nobody to remember him.

In that event which is certainly possible I could totally see China stepping in to diffuse the situation with big territorial concessions as the price.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

and i’ve seen congressional republicans say confidently that the global sanctions will clobber russia

seems like sanctions never do what we hope they’ll do, usually they pulverize the innocent citizens and don’t effect the leaders much who are wealthy regardless. would be nice if these sanctions hurt Putin.

scary stuff.
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Unfortunately the only way the sanctions work is if they hit the Russian people, Putin owns the oligarchs, he gave them control of the means of production and has the upper hand. They can’t and won’t revolt.
When all the “peasants” are mad, no one can protect you.
A little Russian history would show you that.
Of course, if you think the Russians were better off with the Tsar’s benevolent rule…..you probably think Putin’s a good guy.
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[wdmso]

CPAC 2022: US conservatives show little interest in Ukraine


Some of the top Republican officeholders in the party, like Florida's Governor Ron DeSantis, Texas Senator Ted Cruz and Florida Senator Rick Scott, didn't mention Ukraine at all in their speeches.

Why is That

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60559403

and Here's another ongoing Lie from Our friends on the right

Rep. Andrew Clyde to Newsmax: Biden's Energy Policy 'Took Away Club' Against Russia

"This goes back to Inauguration Day when President Biden specifically targeted his own personal war on the United States' oil and gas industry,

"If the United States had a robust energy policy where we could be net energy exporters, then we could take away that leverage that Russia has," Clyde continued. "Russia never would have invaded Ukraine if we would have had that robust energy policy in place, because we could have crushed them immediately."

Clyde said. "He's the leader of the free world and he's going to lead, but he's not doing that very well."


seem the world disagrees
Question for him and for those who believe him.. 1st All this in under a year ?

What active oil pumping well did he shut down on Inauguration Day?

Why has No Republican Asked any us oil producers to do their part and increase oil output


no they do this
Senators to President Biden: Why Are You Favoring OPEC Oil over American Oil?

Stating the administration continues to block new federal oil and gas leasing at home.

More BS from the Right
As of January 2021, nearly half (47.4 percent) of the oil and gas industry's public land leases are sitting idle. These idle leases cover 9.9 million acres of national public lands in the West.


November 2021, which is the last data set available, the US imported 254,162,000 barrels of oil. It consumes a stunning 17.2 million barrels per day, much more than the just over 3 million of Russia.

The vast majority is from Canada, 136,090,000, making up over 50 percent of all imports. From Russia, 17,855,000 barrels were imported,

Below is what we have imported from Russia yearly since 2015
But But Biden

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/Le..._NUS-NRS_1&f=A

2015 135,247 2016 161,286 2017 142,011 2018 137,010 2019 189,786 2020 197,720

[wdmso]

Russia is using controversial 'cluster munitions'

I did see some video a few days ago and said to myself that lots like A cluster Bomb

Fox has been showing Drone footage but with no commentary on whos it is Russian or Ukraine


And Much of the video of these attacked armor columns looks as if the had contact and the russians just opened the door and ran Off ?

not seeing many pictures of Dead or captured Russians after these engagements .. Just odd t me

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Only an idiot would consider a no fly zone as helpful.

Well, there are a LOT of idiots out there.

Originally Posted by spence

The way things are going today it looks like escalation is already underway. Maybe he just wants to extract a million pounds of flesh before declaring victory to the Russian people. Then he'll look for another target and wave his nukies in everyone's face for the next 20 years.

Yes, it's bad.

Originally Posted by spence

Did you see the video of the Ukrainian Ambassador reading the text from the soon to be dead Russian soldier? Pretty disturbing unless it was disinformation.

That image was rumored generated on 4chan, so an unwitting amplification of disinfo.

Originally Posted by wdmso

Russia is using controversial 'cluster munitions'

I did see some video a few days ago and said to myself that lots like A cluster Bomb

Fox has been showing Drone footage but with no commentary on whos it is Russian or Ukraine


And Much of the video of these attacked armor columns looks as if the had contact and the russians just opened the door and ran Off ?

not seeing many pictures of Dead or captured Russians after these engagements .. Just odd t me

Seeing a lot of dead russian units, not seeing much of ukraine. Also seeing some that are being claimed by both, and a lot of repurposed videos. Ukraine is certainly winning the public information war.