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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"and much of that goes to their churches and private schools "

And much of what gets donated to churches, goes to help the needy. I'm sorry if that's going too fast for you.

If you remove every cent that conservatives give to churches, what would it show, Paul? Would it show that conservatives don't give anything?You're reading comprehension sucks. Or would it, at worst, show that conservatives are nearly as generous as liberals?But you're the idiot who constantly states that conservatives are more generous than liberals you idiot, not me or anyone else here.

The Catholic Church is the largest non-governmental source of charitable services, in the world, I believe. Giving to churches, isn't mutually exclusive from giving to charity.Did anyone say it was you idiot?

And I'm sure plenty of liberal donations go to the massive endowments at elite universities who don't need the money, and aren't spending it to help anybody. But you don't care about that. Endowments are used to help keep tuiton down you idiot.

Just show me some evidence, any evidence, that conservatives stop caring after a baby is born?Their actions show it everyday. The idea that liberals want Blacks (and it is amazing how much you focus on blacks here - or use the word "urban" which to you means the same) to have more babies so they can "make" more money off the babies show loud and clear that you are a scummy person.

I'll wait.

Ok here it. When I donate my dues to my church and they paint the walls it isn't benefiting poor people. When I donate my dues to my church and they build a gym it isn't benefiting poor people.

How's that you idiot?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Ok here it. When I donate my dues to my church and they paint the walls it isn't benefiting poor people. When I donate my dues to my church and they build a gym it isn't benefiting poor people.

How's that you idiot?

"you're the idiot who constantly states that conservatives are more generous than liberals you idiot, not me or anyone else here."

The data shows it to be true, and I post it when someone makes the absurd claim that conservatives don't care about helping people. It's a fairly on-point response.

Again, I am sorry that you missed that, I will try to slow down for you.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"you're the idiot who constantly states that conservatives are more generous than liberals you idiot, not me or anyone else here."

The data shows it to be true, and I post it when someone makes the absurd claim that conservatives don't care about helping people. It's a fairly on-point response.

Again, I am sorry that you missed that, I will try to slow down for you.

So show me a study that says conservatives are more generous when it ISN"T self serving charities. That is what matters you idiot.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So show me a study that says conservatives are more generous when it ISN"T self serving charities. That is what matters you idiot.

Again, maybe your church is self serving. That sounds like an issue for you.

The data clearly shows that conservatives care plenty about people after they are born.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Again, maybe your church is self serving. That sounds like an issue for you.

The data clearly shows that conservatives care plenty about people after they are born.

paul's church maintains it's property so all churches must be bad...government never wastes money intended to help the poor....you idiot ...

he's very snarky...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

paul's church maintains it's property so all churches must be bad...
...

That's literally his entire argument.

The question for me is, why bother. There is no answer, other than there's no fishing to be done yet...

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

.

there's no fishing to be done yet...

soon...

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Again, maybe your church is self serving. That sounds like an issue for you.

The data clearly shows that conservatives care plenty about people after they are born.

But they consistently try to cut funding for child care when elected. Am I going too fast for you?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

But they consistently try to cut funding for child care when elected. Am I going too fast for you?

unnecessary child care.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Ok here it. When I donate my dues to my church and they paint the walls it isn't benefiting poor people. When I donate my dues to my church and they build a gym it isn't benefiting poor people.

How's that you idiot?

Please tell me which good charitable organizations, have no expenses?

Good lord man...

If your church is hoarding its donations instead of using them to help people, that's an issue for your church.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Please tell me which good charitable organizations, have no expenses?

Good lord man...

If your church is hoarding its donations instead of using them to help people, that's an issue for your church.

So does your church have a meeting hall or anything sponsored by the church for the parishioners? That is self serving and doesn't benefit anyone other than themselves.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So does your church have a meeting hall or anything sponsored by the church for the parishioners? That is self serving and doesn't benefit anyone other than themselves.

For the second time, yes my church has meaningful expenses. Can you give me a list of charities that have zero expenses please?

Rent, utilities, logistics and infastructure and such cannot be paid for with hugs and fairy dust, I am sorry to break that to you, I assumed even you already knew that. Obviously I was wrong.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

For the second time, yes my church has meaningful expenses. Can you give me a list of charities that have zero expenses please?

Rent, utilities, logistics and infastructure and such cannot be paid for with hugs and fairy dust, I am sorry to break that to you, I assumed even you already knew that. Obviously I was wrong.

It goes beyond that you idiot. Am I going too fast for you?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

When I donate my dues to my church and they build a gym it isn't benefiting poor people.

How's that you idiot?

poor people don't use gyms?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

You're reading comprehension sucks.

But you're the idiot who constantly states that conservatives are more generous than liberals you idiot, not me or anyone else here.

Did anyone say it was you idiot?

Endowments are used to help keep tuiton down you idiot.

Their actions show it everyday. The idea that liberals want Blacks (and it is amazing how much you focus on blacks here - or use the word "urban" which to you means the same) to have more babies so they can "make" more money off the babies show loud and clear that you are a scummy person.

How's that you idiot?

Originally Posted by PaulS

So show me a study that says conservatives are more generous when it ISN"T self serving charities. That is what matters you idiot.

Originally Posted by PaulS

It goes beyond that you idiot. Am I going too fast for you?

Just wanted to save this so I have some solid examples of what adding constructive dialog to the conversation looks like.

Yeah, all Trumps fault the country is so divided
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Just wanted to save this so I have some solid examples of what adding constructive dialog to the conversation looks like.

Yeah, all Trumps fault the country is so divided
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Remember TDF, I am the angry one.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Remember TDF, I am the angry one.

You are. Every post (slight exageration) has insults. Why do you think anyone here should take your classless insults?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Just wanted to save this so I have some solid examples of what adding constructive dialog to the conversation looks like. Why should anyone here take his or your insults?

Yeah, all Trumps fault the country is so divided
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Feel free. But what do you add other than calling people dumb or trying to insult people with memes?

So what exactly do you add here?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by PaulS

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Feel free. But what do you add other than calling people dumb or trying to insult people with memes?

So what exactly do you add here?

The exact same quality of content that you do.

All you really do is come here to pick a fight with Jim, that's been pretty much it.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman;[COLOR="Red"

[/COLOR]1223171]The exact same quality of content that you do. No, You hardly ever post anything at all related to the subject.

All you really do is come here to pick a fight with Jim, that's been pretty much it.
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no, I make a counter arguement. You pretty much only make insults.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by PaulS

no, I make a counter arguement.

that's an interesting description....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Endowments are used to help keep tuiton down you idiot.

I looked it up.

Harvard's endowment is $53 billion.

It's annual tuition plus room and board is $74,528.

They have 23,000 kids.

They could not charge a penny for tuition for any of those kids, and the endowment wouldn't run out for decades, and that's if it earned zero interest.

Yeah, that endowment is really keeping tuition down, Paul, you sure showed me..

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I looked it up.

Harvard's endowment is $53 billion.

It's annual tuition plus room and board is $74,528.

They have 23,000 kids.

They could not charge a penny for tuition for any of those kids, and the endowment wouldn't run out for decades, and that's if it earned zero interest.

Yeah, that endowment is really keeping tuition down, Paul, you sure showed me..

Again, you demonstrate your lack of intelligence so I'll help you by not going so fast:



About a third of Harvard’s annual operating budget comes from the endowment; last year, it contributed around $1.7 billion to Harvard, or over a third of the University’s entire operating budget. That spending supports all the vital functions of the University, from professorships to the library collection to financial aid. Harvard’s 12 schools are funded by the endowment to different extents: The Faculty of Arts and Sciences, for example, receives about 50 percent of its funding from the endowment, while the School of Public Health—many of its expenses provided for by a $350 million gift from 2014—takes only about 15 percent of its budget from the endowment.


Edit - and remember when you couldn't understand how E. Warren's Harvard pay wasn't paid for by student's tuition bc it was an endowed chair. It was like you had no understanding of what an endowed chair was.

And let's not forget the idiotic statement about trying to compare church's charity (maybe 3-5% of donations?) to what say the American Red Cross provides - prob. 85% - 95% of donations.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Again, you demonstrate your lack of intelligence so I'll help you by not going so fast:



About a third of Harvard’s annual operating budget comes from the endowment; last year, it contributed around $1.7 billion to Harvard, or over a third of the University’s entire operating budget. That spending supports all the vital functions of the University, from professorships to the library collection to financial aid. Harvard’s 12 schools are funded by the endowment to different extents: The Faculty of Arts and Sciences, for example, receives about 50 percent of its funding from the endowment, while the School of Public Health—many of its expenses provided for by a $350 million gift from 2014—takes only about 15 percent of its budget from the endowment.


Edit - and remember when you couldn't understand how E. Warren's Harvard pay wasn't paid for by student's tuition bc it was an endowed chair. It was like you had no understanding of what an endowed chair was.

And let's not forget the idiotic statement about trying to compare church's charity (maybe 3-5% of donations?) to what say the American Red Cross provides - prob. 85% - 95% of donations.

So it's OK when rich liberals donate to Harvard, which uses those donations to pay Liz Warren $400,000 a year to teach one class.

But when your church maintains its buildings, that means it's not really a worthwhile charity.

So what you're really saying is, "it's OK when liberals do it, only bad when conservatives do it".

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

So it's OK when rich liberals donate to Harvard, which uses those donations to pay Liz Warren $400,000 a year to teach one class.They can give it to whomever the law allows. Just as you and I can give to a church.

But when your church maintains its buildings, that means it's not really a worthwhile charity.

So what you're really saying is, "it's OK when liberals do it, only bad when conservatives do it".

No clown, let me take it step by step bc you can't seem to grasp anything. I'll go nice and slow.

You frequently claim that cons. give more than liberals. I always tell you that lot of it has to do with their giving it to churches which is somewhat self serving. You claim churches provide charity and I showed you that the vast majority of $ donated to churches goes to the church and very little goes to actually benefit a non member vs the vast majority donated to Red Cross which goes to people in need.

So I never claimed giving $ to churches was bad like the snarky troll claimed and which you agreed with or "that it's OK when liberals do it, only bad when conservatives do it" but to show you that a lot of the donations is somewhat self serving and your repeated claiming that conserv. give more than liberals is wrong and they prob. give the same $%.

[Pete F.]

As usual, the poor dictim is crying about how liberals are hurting him.

In real terms, Harvard is a conservative place. Everyone who attends worked hard to get into there. Students like money and they like success. They place a great deal of focus on hard work and business connections. They understand the importance of preexisting institutions and don't attempt to alter that. Students at Harvard work within the current system; that is what conservatism means.

Of course if the standard bearer of what you claim is conservative america is a con man..........

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

As usual, the poor dictim is crying about how liberals are hurting him.

In real terms, Harvard is a conservative place. Everyone who attends worked hard to get into there. Students like money and they like success. They place a great deal of focus on hard work and business connections. They understand the importance of preexisting institutions and don't attempt to alter that. Students at Harvard work within the current system; that is what conservatism means.

Of course if the standard bearer of what you claim is conservative america is a con man..........

"Students at Harvard work within the current system; that is what conservatism means."

Except for the kids who deserve to get in but don't, because of their skin color.

"the poor victim is crying about how liberals are hurting him."

Let's be very clear...you are making me crack up, you are not, and can not, hurt me. You're a source of entertainment.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

So I never claimed giving $ to churches was bad like the snarky troll claimed and which you agreed with or "that it's OK when liberals do it, only bad when conservatives do it" but to show you that a lot of the donations is somewhat self serving and your repeated claiming that conserv. give more than liberals is wrong and they prob. give the same $%.

You said it doesn't really count as charitable giving, because (God forbid!) churches will use some of that money for expenses.

Third time, please tell me which charities you donate to, which have zero expenses.

"your repeated claiming that conserv. give more than liberals is wrong"

Not according to the study I posted.

"they prob. give the same $%"

LET'S STICK TO THAT, because you may well be right...

If conservatives and liberals are about equally charitable, then on what basis could you say that conservatives stop caring about people after they are born?

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

You said it doesn't really count as charitable giving, because (God forbid!) churches will use some of that money for expenses.I said it is self serving

Third time, please tell me which charities you donate to, which have zero expenses.Are you hearing things bc no one every claimed a charity had zero expenses (although there might be a few where expenses are subsidized).

"your repeated claiming that conserv. give more than liberals is wrong"

Not according to the study I posted. and I always show you a lot of it is self serving

"they prob. give the same $%"

LET'S STICK TO THAT, because you may well be right...
But your the one who constantly posts a study which doesn't take into account the self serving aspect - not me or anyone else here
If conservatives and liberals are about equally charitable, then on what basis could you say that conservatives stop caring about people after they are born?

Their repeated attempts to cut benefits to minors/people who have babies whenever cons. come into control. Charity is never going to replace govern. spending.