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02-14-2022, 01:04 PM
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Right. That's why Republicans are in favor of school choice, and why democrats hate school choice. This is why Republicans make the case for the benefit of intact families, and why liberals incentivize fatherlessness.
Second time, why did Democrats get so miserable when Republicans were celebrating the lowest black unemployment ever? If what you posted is even a little bit true, wouldn't congressional democrats celebrate that?
For Gods sake, even the congressional black caucus acted like someone just ran over their dog. Even they couldn't celebrate that. Because democrats care about winning, not about blacks getting ahead.
All you have is hyper-partisan nonsense Pete. Things that make great bumper stickers for thoughtless liberal livestock, but which are laughable.
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School choice is about moving my tax dollars to private institutions, just like for profit prisons.
Republicans claim to be for intact families but oppose any help that doesn’t have a cliff at the upper end.
Republicans consistently oppose healthcare reform, claiming that it will cost too much, but we already pay for it, I just want the money to pay for health care not an insurance executive's third mansion.
That the Republican Party thinks that a minuscule number of black candidates is worth bragging about should tell you all you need to know
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02-14-2022, 02:13 PM
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seems like paul and pete are hitting the crack pipe pretty hard....
leftists will be full racism till november...should be fun and uniting
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02-14-2022, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
School choice is about moving my tax dollars to private institutions, just like for profit prisons.
Republicans claim to be for intact families but oppose any help that doesn’t have a cliff at the upper end.
Republicans consistently oppose healthcare reform, claiming that it will cost too much, but we already pay for it, I just want the money to pay for health care not an insurance executive's third mansion.
That the Republican Party thinks that a minuscule number of black candidates is worth bragging about should tell you all you need to know
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In my case, it would be about "my" tax dollars, not "your" tax dollars. Liberals are adamantly opposed to my being able to choose which school I spend my tax dollars on.
Because they care about appeasing teachers unions, more than they care about helping poor black children achieve their dreams.
"Republicans consistently oppose healthcare reform"
Wrong. They just oppose Obamacare. Although even Trump says that covering pre-existing conditions (which I've always said is morally obvious) is a good idea.
You just make stuff up. Constantly.
"Republicans claim to be for intact families but oppose any help that doesn’t have a cliff at the upper end."
Tell me what bill that would have kept families intact, the republicans opposed because there wasn't a cliff at the end? Or did you just fabricate that to suit your narrative, too?
"That the Republican Party thinks that a minuscule number of black candidates is worth bragging about should tell you all you need to know "
You have Hank Johnson, who said that he was worried Guam would tip over if we built a base there, and that's exactly what he said. You can keep him, and Maxine Waters. We'll keep Tim Scott. |
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02-14-2022, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
In my case, it would be about "my" tax dollars, not "your" tax dollars. Liberals are adamantly opposed to my being able to choose which school I spend my tax dollars on.
Because they care about appeasing teachers unions, more than they care about helping poor black children achieve their dreams.
"Republicans consistently oppose healthcare reform"
Wrong. They just oppose Obamacare. Although even Trump says that covering pre-existing conditions (which I've always said is morally obvious) is a good idea.
You just make stuff up. Constantly.
"Republicans claim to be for intact families but oppose any help that doesn’t have a cliff at the upper end."
Tell me what bill that would have kept families intact, the republicans opposed because there wasn't a cliff at the end? Or did you just fabricate that to suit your narrative, too?
"That the Republican Party thinks that a minuscule number of black candidates is worth bragging about should tell you all you need to know "
You have Hank Johnson, who said that he was worried Guam would tip over if we built a base there, and that's exactly what he said. You can keep him, and Maxine Waters. We'll keep Tim Scott.
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If Jim gets to allocate his tax $s the way he see fit I guess we can all allocate our tax $s away from those failed Rs states with their outstretched hands saying "give us your $". |
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02-14-2022, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by PaulS
If Jim gets to allocate his tax $s the way he see fit I guess we can all allocate our tax $s away from those failed Rs states with their outstretched hands saying "give us your $".
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02-14-2022, 07:46 PM
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from those failed Rs states
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02-14-2022, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
In my case, it would be about "my" tax dollars, not "your" tax dollars. Liberals are adamantly opposed to my being able to choose which school I spend my tax dollars on.
Because they care about appeasing teachers unions, more than they care about helping poor black children achieve their dreams.
"Republicans consistently oppose healthcare reform"
Wrong. They just oppose Obamacare. Although even Trump says that covering pre-existing conditions (which I've always said is morally obvious) is a good idea.
You just make stuff up. Constantly.
"Republicans claim to be for intact families but oppose any help that doesn’t have a cliff at the upper end."
Tell me what bill that would have kept families intact, the republicans opposed because there wasn't a cliff at the end? Or did you just fabricate that to suit your narrative, too?
"That the Republican Party thinks that a minuscule number of black candidates is worth bragging about should tell you all you need to know "
You have Hank Johnson, who said that he was worried Guam would tip over if we built a base there, and that's exactly what he said. You can keep him, and Maxine Waters. We'll keep Tim Scott.
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Trump said but did absolutely nothing, that’s the usual Republican result.
Who’s the other black republican member of Congress?
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02-14-2022, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
School choice is about moving my tax dollars to private institutions, just like for profit prisons.
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No it's not.. 
School choice allows public education funds to follow students to the schools or services that best fit their needs —whether that’s to a public school, private school, charter school, home school or any other learning environment families choose.
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02-14-2022, 03:46 PM
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No it's not..
School choice allows public education funds to follow students to the schools or services that best fit their needs —whether that’s to a public school, private school, charter school, home school or any other learning environment families choose.
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and it’s kind of ironic, that the left is so adamantly opposed to school
choice.
Yet on another issue, and i can’t quite put my finger on which issue it was, I’m almost certain I heard democrats refer to themselves as pro-choice
Not in this case, it would seem.
If we offered school choice, the public schools would get their act in order, in the next nanosecond. competition is good.
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02-14-2022, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
Yet on another issue, and i can’t quite put my finger on which issue it was, I’m almost certain I heard democrats refer to themselves as pro-choice
Not in this case, it would seem.
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Is it any different than saying no mandates for vaccines and leave it up to the individual but not leaving it up to the individual when it comes to an abortion?
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02-14-2022, 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
No it's not..
School choice allows public education funds to follow students to the schools or services that best fit their needs —whether that’s to a public school, private school, charter school, home school or any other learning environment families choose.
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It’s all about Taking what people see as Their Taxes and spending it on their private or religious or charters school .
I find it odd Republicans support the idea that people who may rent an apartment or live in public housing and pay little to no taxes and flip the bill for their children to go where they want ! That’s what conservatives want voters to think
School choice is for them hidden in the we’re helping underserved communities
But in reality Most often, the voucher, ESA, or tax incentive will not cover the full cost of a child's education. Parents or guardians are expected to make up the difference.
Hard to make up a difference when you can barely afford to live where you live
Most taxpayers want their tax dollars to go to the classroom for teaching and learning. Yet time and again, some charters spent far more than public schools on administration. In 2014-2015, Arizona charter schools spent over $128 million more than Arizona public schools on management costs. One charter chain, Basis, spent nearly $12 million on administrative costs in one year, for fewer than 9000 students — all hidden from public review.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...school-choice/
The Racist History Of “School Choice”
We are less than six months into 2021, and to date, “school choice” legislation has been introduced in at least 20 states, half of which are in the South. Most of these bills promote tax credits, school vouchers, or “education savings accounts.” All of them drain money from underfunded, under-resourced public schools into private schools. And while some proponents of these bills say that they will improve education opportunities for Black and Brown students and students from low-income families, the truth is that they do not
The Charter School Swindle – Selling Segregation to Blacks and Latinos
https://www.forbes.com/sites/raymond...school-choice/
A liberal source
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02-14-2022, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
It’s all about Taking what people see as Their Taxes and spending it on their private or religious or charters school .
I find it odd Republicans support the idea that people who may rent an apartment or live in public housing and pay little to no taxes and flip the bill for their children to go where they want ! That’s what conservatives want voters to think
School choice is for them hidden in the we’re helping underserved communities
But in reality Most often, the voucher, ESA, or tax incentive will not cover the full cost of a child's education. Parents or guardians are expected to make up the difference.
Hard to make up a difference when you can barely afford to live where you live
Most taxpayers want their tax dollars to go to the classroom for teaching and learning. Yet time and again, some charters spent far more than public schools on administration. In 2014-2015, Arizona charter schools spent over $128 million more than Arizona public schools on management costs. One charter chain, Basis, spent nearly $12 million on administrative costs in one year, for fewer than 9000 students — all hidden from public review.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...school-choice/
The Racist History Of “School Choice”
We are less than six months into 2021, and to date, “school choice” legislation has been introduced in at least 20 states, half of which are in the South. Most of these bills promote tax credits, school vouchers, or “education savings accounts.” All of them drain money from underfunded, under-resourced public schools into private schools. And while some proponents of these bills say that they will improve education opportunities for Black and Brown students and students from low-income families, the truth is that they do not
The Charter School Swindle – Selling Segregation to Blacks and Latinos
https://www.forbes.com/sites/raymond...school-choice/
A liberal source
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school choice is racist!!! that’s why poor block parents want it so badly.
partial scholarships are worthless, that’s what you’re saying. anything that doesn’t cover the full
cost is useless?
are coupons useless and racist???’n
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02-14-2022, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
It’s all about Taking what people see as Their Taxes and spending it on their private or religious or charters school .
I find it odd Republicans support the idea that people who may rent an apartment or live in public housing and pay little to no taxes and flip the bill for their children to go where they want ! That’s what conservatives want voters to think
School choice is for them hidden in the we’re helping underserved communities
But in reality Most often, the voucher, ESA, or tax incentive will not cover the full cost of a child's education. Parents or guardians are expected to make up the difference.
Hard to make up a difference when you can barely afford to live where you live
Most taxpayers want their tax dollars to go to the classroom for teaching and learning. Yet time and again, some charters spent far more than public schools on administration. In 2014-2015, Arizona charter schools spent over $128 million more than Arizona public schools on management costs. One charter chain, Basis, spent nearly $12 million on administrative costs in one year, for fewer than 9000 students — all hidden from public review.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...school-choice/
The Racist History Of “School Choice”
We are less than six months into 2021, and to date, “school choice” legislation has been introduced in at least 20 states, half of which are in the South. Most of these bills promote tax credits, school vouchers, or “education savings accounts.” All of them drain money from underfunded, under-resourced public schools into private schools. And while some proponents of these bills say that they will improve education opportunities for Black and Brown students and students from low-income families, the truth is that they do not
The Charter School Swindle – Selling Segregation to Blacks and Latinos
https://www.forbes.com/sites/raymond...school-choice/
A liberal source
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here’s a study showing school choice improves test scores at both private and public schools, lowers the cost of education ( which is why teachers unions hate it and why democrats oppose it), and lessens racial
inequality.
https://www.ceamteam.org/the-consens...-choice-works/
it’s common sense that it works. not all schools are equal.
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02-14-2022, 07:48 PM
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The Racist History Of “School Choice”
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democrats platform for 2022
EVERYTHING IS RACIST |
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02-15-2022, 06:44 AM
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democrats platform for 2022
EVERYTHING IS RACIST
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school choice is racist, but you can bet that somehow affirmative action isn’t.
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02-15-2022, 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
school choice is racist, but you can bet that somehow affirmative action isn’t.
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birds are racist...
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02-15-2022, 06:52 AM
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and roads. Pete said so.
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02-15-2022, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
school choice is racist, but you can bet that somehow affirmative action isn’t.
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Spoken like a true believer …
Failing to understand why we even needed affirmative action…
Look in the mirror
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02-14-2022, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
No it's not..
School choice allows public education funds to follow students to the schools or services that best fit their needs —whether that’s to a public school, private school, charter school, home school or any other learning environment families choose.
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Sure, it will work just like the college system where what happens in your life depends on where you went to school.
Look at college endowments per pupil from Ivy league to state schools, the rest of the education system will follow that model.
Sure some tokens will get to go to the elite schools but they’re not going to be invited to spend break with most people.
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