Paul: re crack pipes

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

saying you’ll pick one that conservatives will like, is a little different than saying your pick will be a certain gender and color.

does any president pick one whose politics aren’t similar to the presidents?

i was a tad young when reagan
made that announcement. but it was a stupid thing for him to declare. it’s blatantly unconstitutional.
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The Constitution does not set any qualifications for service as a Justice, thus the President may nominate any individual to serve on the Court.

But obviously conservatism is the principle that in groups are protected but not bound by law and out groups are not protected but bound.

Because, originalism…….

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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The Constitution does not set any qualifications for service as a Justice, thus the President may nominate any individual to serve on the Court.

But obviously conservatism is the principle that in groups are protected but not bound by law and out groups are not protected but bound.

Because, originalism…….

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i’ll make it as simple as i can…

if it’s ok for Biden to say white men can’t apply for this job, it’s equally ok for someone else to say that blacks can’t apply for another job.

Unless whites are not equal
to blacks.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i’ll make it as simple as i can…

if it’s ok for Biden to say white men can’t apply for this job, it’s equally ok for someone else to say that blacks can’t apply for another job.

Unless whites are not equal
to blacks.
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There are two types of people in this country.

1. People who see opportunities for minority populations as progress that makes us proud.

2. People who see minority populations gaining equality as a threat.

Group 1 are Americans.
Group 2 are Republicans.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

There are two types of people in this country.

1. People who see opportunities for minority populations as progress that makes us proud.

2. People who see minority populations gaining equality as a threat.

Group 1 are Americans.
Group 2 are Republicans.
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Right. That's why Republicans are in favor of school choice, and why democrats hate school choice. This is why Republicans make the case for the benefit of intact families, and why liberals incentivize fatherlessness.

Second time, why did Democrats get so miserable when Republicans were celebrating the lowest black unemployment ever? If what you posted is even a little bit true, wouldn't congressional democrats celebrate that?

For Gods sake, even the congressional black caucus acted like someone just ran over their dog. Even they couldn't celebrate that. Because democrats care about winning, not about blacks getting ahead.

All you have is hyper-partisan nonsense Pete. Things that make great bumper stickers for thoughtless liberal livestock, but which are laughable.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Right. That's why Republicans are in favor of school choice, Do you mean private schools?and why democrats hate school choice. This is why Republicans make the case for the benefit of intact families, and why liberals incentivize fatherlessness. You mean by increasing benefits for people who have more children?

Second time, why did Democrats get so miserable when Republicans were celebrating the lowest black unemployment ever? If what you posted is even a little bit true, wouldn't congressional democrats celebrate that?That is a lie. You always throw that out but when asked to explain what exactly Trump did for Blacks you say opportunity zone which were shown to have limited benefit to Blacks but more to the developers while ignoring the ways his policies are furthering racial segregation, not to mention stoking racial divisions and violence.

For Gods sake, even the congressional black caucus acted like someone just ran over their dog. Even they couldn't celebrate that. Because democrats care about winning, not about blacks getting ahead.

All you have is hyper-partisan nonsense Pete. That was funny. You're the most divisive person here Things that make great bumper stickers for thoughtless liberal livestock, but which are laughable.

At least you're good for a laugh here.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

At least you're good for a laugh here.

"Do you mean private schools?"

Yes. Allowing inner city kids to choose private schools simply works, and it's wildly popular among people who would benefit. Unfortunately for those families, teachers unions tell democrats what to do in schools.

"you mean by increasing benefits for people who have more children?"

I mean handing out cash to people who have kids, and giving more cash when there's no husband in the picture.

Paul, when you tell people you'll pay them to have babies, and you'll pay them more if there's no husband than you'll pay them if there is a husband, what do you think is going to happen? Is it really hard to predict? I'm fine with giving poor parents subsidized food, diapers, formula, daycare, etc...Giving them cash, is a lucrative incentive to have children that you don't plan to take care of. We can all see the result of that.

"That is a lie"

You're saying I'm lying that democrats didn't celebrate low black unemployment at Trumps SOTU?

Here...go to the 1:00 mark or so, and you tell me I'm lying. The Congresional Black Caucus are all in their attire, all sitting there, miserable. Proof that they don't care about black well-being.

You tell me I'm not 100% correct there.

"what exactly Trump did for Blacks"

See if you can follow...He gave businesses massive incentive to hire. That helps people who aren't currently working, a disproportionate number of whom are black.

He also advocated for criminal justice reform (which liberals have wanted for many years, and which Obama chose not to deliver), increased funding for black colleges, advocated for school choice, things that disproportionately help blacks.

Blacks did great under Trump.

"You're the most divisive person here "

You have the ability to keep scrolling. Or to toughen up a little.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Do you mean private schools?"

Yes. Allowing inner city kids to choose private schools simply works, and it's wildly popular among people who would benefit. So I should pay taxes for schools but people who want to attend a private school should be subsidized by me also? Will those same families subsidize my gold membership or gym memborship?

"ou mean by increasing benefits for people who have more children?"

I mean handing out cash to people who have kids, and giving more cash when there's no husband in the picture.

Paul, when you tell people you'll pay them to have babies, and you'll pay them more if there's no husband than you'll pay them if there is a husband, what do you think is going to happen? Is it really hard to predict?Can you pls. show me an ad or a statement by any D. who has said we'll give you more cash if just have more babies? Bc I don't think that has ever been said.

"That is a lie"

You're saying I'm lying that democrats didn't celebrate low black unemployment at Trumps SOTU?Bc the know that didn't do much for "black unemployment" and that all unemployment went down as it continued a trend started bf Trump and that Black workers did not see employment levels ever go above the trend.

Here...go to the 1:00 mark or so, and you tell me I'm lying. The Congresional Black Caucus are all in their attire, all sitting there, miserable.

You tell me I'm not 100% correct there.

"what exactly Trump did for Blacks"

See if you can follow...He gave businesses massive incentive to hire. That helps people who aren't currently working, a disproportionate number of whom are black.See if you can follow - Everything that I read says that Black workers did not see employment levels ever go above the total trend. So if Black unemployment did not decrease % wise more than White unemployment, that means Trump did not do anything for Blacks than he did for Whites.

He also advocated for criminal justice reform, increased funding for black collegesNo he didn't. The bill was a 10-year renewal of funding. It was the same funding as was under Obama., things that help blacks.

Blacks did great under Trump.So, no they didn't

"You're the most divisive person here "

You have the ability to keep scrolling.Just want you to know how you and your ilk are so divisive.

NM

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Right. That's why Republicans are in favor of school choice, and why democrats hate school choice. This is why Republicans make the case for the benefit of intact families, and why liberals incentivize fatherlessness.

Second time, why did Democrats get so miserable when Republicans were celebrating the lowest black unemployment ever? If what you posted is even a little bit true, wouldn't congressional democrats celebrate that?

For Gods sake, even the congressional black caucus acted like someone just ran over their dog. Even they couldn't celebrate that. Because democrats care about winning, not about blacks getting ahead.

All you have is hyper-partisan nonsense Pete. Things that make great bumper stickers for thoughtless liberal livestock, but which are laughable.

School choice is about moving my tax dollars to private institutions, just like for profit prisons.
Republicans claim to be for intact families but oppose any help that doesn’t have a cliff at the upper end.
Republicans consistently oppose healthcare reform, claiming that it will cost too much, but we already pay for it, I just want the money to pay for health care not an insurance executive's third mansion.
That the Republican Party thinks that a minuscule number of black candidates is worth bragging about should tell you all you need to know
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[scottw]

seems like paul and pete are hitting the crack pipe pretty hard....

leftists will be full racism till november...should be fun and uniting

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

School choice is about moving my tax dollars to private institutions, just like for profit prisons.
Republicans claim to be for intact families but oppose any help that doesn’t have a cliff at the upper end.
Republicans consistently oppose healthcare reform, claiming that it will cost too much, but we already pay for it, I just want the money to pay for health care not an insurance executive's third mansion.
That the Republican Party thinks that a minuscule number of black candidates is worth bragging about should tell you all you need to know
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In my case, it would be about "my" tax dollars, not "your" tax dollars. Liberals are adamantly opposed to my being able to choose which school I spend my tax dollars on.

Because they care about appeasing teachers unions, more than they care about helping poor black children achieve their dreams.

"Republicans consistently oppose healthcare reform"

Wrong. They just oppose Obamacare. Although even Trump says that covering pre-existing conditions (which I've always said is morally obvious) is a good idea.

You just make stuff up. Constantly.

"Republicans claim to be for intact families but oppose any help that doesn’t have a cliff at the upper end."

Tell me what bill that would have kept families intact, the republicans opposed because there wasn't a cliff at the end? Or did you just fabricate that to suit your narrative, too?

"That the Republican Party thinks that a minuscule number of black candidates is worth bragging about should tell you all you need to know "

You have Hank Johnson, who said that he was worried Guam would tip over if we built a base there, and that's exactly what he said. You can keep him, and Maxine Waters. We'll keep Tim Scott.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

In my case, it would be about "my" tax dollars, not "your" tax dollars. Liberals are adamantly opposed to my being able to choose which school I spend my tax dollars on.

Because they care about appeasing teachers unions, more than they care about helping poor black children achieve their dreams.

"Republicans consistently oppose healthcare reform"

Wrong. They just oppose Obamacare. Although even Trump says that covering pre-existing conditions (which I've always said is morally obvious) is a good idea.

You just make stuff up. Constantly.

"Republicans claim to be for intact families but oppose any help that doesn’t have a cliff at the upper end."

Tell me what bill that would have kept families intact, the republicans opposed because there wasn't a cliff at the end? Or did you just fabricate that to suit your narrative, too?

"That the Republican Party thinks that a minuscule number of black candidates is worth bragging about should tell you all you need to know "

You have Hank Johnson, who said that he was worried Guam would tip over if we built a base there, and that's exactly what he said. You can keep him, and Maxine Waters. We'll keep Tim Scott.

If Jim gets to allocate his tax $s the way he see fit I guess we can all allocate our tax $s away from those failed Rs states with their outstretched hands saying "give us your $".

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

In my case, it would be about "my" tax dollars, not "your" tax dollars. Liberals are adamantly opposed to my being able to choose which school I spend my tax dollars on.

Because they care about appeasing teachers unions, more than they care about helping poor black children achieve their dreams.

"Republicans consistently oppose healthcare reform"

Wrong. They just oppose Obamacare. Although even Trump says that covering pre-existing conditions (which I've always said is morally obvious) is a good idea.

You just make stuff up. Constantly.

"Republicans claim to be for intact families but oppose any help that doesn’t have a cliff at the upper end."

Tell me what bill that would have kept families intact, the republicans opposed because there wasn't a cliff at the end? Or did you just fabricate that to suit your narrative, too?

"That the Republican Party thinks that a minuscule number of black candidates is worth bragging about should tell you all you need to know "

You have Hank Johnson, who said that he was worried Guam would tip over if we built a base there, and that's exactly what he said. You can keep him, and Maxine Waters. We'll keep Tim Scott.

Trump said but did absolutely nothing, that’s the usual Republican result.

Who’s the other black republican member of Congress?

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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

School choice is about moving my tax dollars to private institutions, just like for profit prisons.
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No it's not..

School choice allows public education funds to follow students to the schools or services that best fit their needs —whether that’s to a public school, private school, charter school, home school or any other learning environment families choose.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

No it's not..

School choice allows public education funds to follow students to the schools or services that best fit their needs —whether that’s to a public school, private school, charter school, home school or any other learning environment families choose.
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and it’s kind of ironic, that the left is so adamantly opposed to school
choice.

Yet on another issue, and i can’t quite put my finger on which issue it was, I’m almost certain I heard democrats refer to themselves as pro-choice

Not in this case, it would seem.

If we offered school choice, the public schools would get their act in order, in the next nanosecond. competition is good.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

No it's not..

School choice allows public education funds to follow students to the schools or services that best fit their needs —whether that’s to a public school, private school, charter school, home school or any other learning environment families choose.
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It’s all about Taking what people see as Their Taxes and spending it on their private or religious or charters school .

I find it odd Republicans support the idea that people who may rent an apartment or live in public housing and pay little to no taxes and flip the bill for their children to go where they want ! That’s what conservatives want voters to think

School choice is for them hidden in the we’re helping underserved communities

But in reality Most often, the voucher, ESA, or tax incentive will not cover the full cost of a child's education. Parents or guardians are expected to make up the difference.
Hard to make up a difference when you can barely afford to live where you live


Most taxpayers want their tax dollars to go to the classroom for teaching and learning. Yet time and again, some charters spent far more than public schools on administration. In 2014-2015, Arizona charter schools spent over $128 million more than Arizona public schools on management costs. One charter chain, Basis, spent nearly $12 million on administrative costs in one year, for fewer than 9000 students — all hidden from public review.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...school-choice/


The Racist History Of “School Choice”

We are less than six months into 2021, and to date, “school choice” legislation has been introduced in at least 20 states, half of which are in the South. Most of these bills promote tax credits, school vouchers, or “education savings accounts.” All of them drain money from underfunded, under-resourced public schools into private schools. And while some proponents of these bills say that they will improve education opportunities for Black and Brown students and students from low-income families, the truth is that they do not


The Charter School Swindle – Selling Segregation to Blacks and Latinos

https://www.forbes.com/sites/raymond...school-choice/

A liberal source
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

No it's not..

School choice allows public education funds to follow students to the schools or services that best fit their needs —whether that’s to a public school, private school, charter school, home school or any other learning environment families choose.
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Sure, it will work just like the college system where what happens in your life depends on where you went to school.
Look at college endowments per pupil from Ivy league to state schools, the rest of the education system will follow that model.
Sure some tokens will get to go to the elite schools but they’re not going to be invited to spend break with most people.
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[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

There are two types of people in this country.

1. People who see opportunities for minority populations as progress that makes us proud.

2. People who see minority populations gaining equality as a threat.

Group 1 are Americans.
Group 2 are Republicans.
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Exactly.