Critical Race Theory

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

The guy who wrote that nonsense, wants there to be systemic racism.

You can't just see that average black income is lower than average white income (called a univariate analysis, because you're only looking at one variable - race), and conclude it's because if race. You must "normalize" for all other variables so that the only difference between the 2 groups is race, and then see what average incomes look like. If you don't do that, your race groups could be (in this case, will be) very different in terms of family structure of each, average education of each, professions entered by each, etc).

If black doctors who went to Harvard medical school and graduated with a 4.0, make less than white doctors with the same exact credentials, it could be racism. But you need to make your comparisons "apples to apples". You can't just compare white income to black income, unless you account for all the other variables, and force them to be the same between the two groups.

The author of that article took you for a sucker.

The rhetoric you recite shows who you are. Do you say this out loud at work?
Or hide what you believe?

Black men with a 4 year college degree can get to within 80% of whites

https://www.jbhe.com/news_views/47_f...gedegrees.html
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The rhetoric you recite shows who you are. Do you say this out loud at work?
Or hide what you believe?

Black men with a 4 year college degree can get to within 80% of whites

https://www.jbhe.com/news_views/47_f...gedegrees.html
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

"The rhetoric you recite shows who you are. Do you say this out loud at work?
Or hide what you believe?"

No way I'd say it at work, too many woke ignoramuses like you would get triggered. Yes, it does show who I am. I am someone who thinks that if a black child was born with the same parents I had, and did everything the same way I did, they'd pretty much be exactly where I am right now.

Pete, show me the data that says when you do a true apples to apples comparison, there are huge differences in outcomes by race. There's simply no way that's true, because it would be against the law, and every ACLYU lawyer in the world would be suing on behalf of the victims.

For the 4th or 5th time, if it's white racism keeping blacks down, HOW COME ASIANS DO BETTER THAN WHITES?

The Brookings Institute did a well-known (and much-despised by the left) study. Turns out, if you want to avoid poverty, you can be almost guaranteed to do so, by following three very simple rules...

"1. Graduating from high school.

2. Waiting to get married until after 21 and do not have children till after being married.

3. Having a full-time job.

If you do all those three things, your chance of falling into poverty is just 2 percent. Meanwhile, you’ll have a 74 percent chance of being in the middle class.

Applies to everyone
These rules apply to all races and ethnic groups. "

Given these facts, why not encourage everyone to follow those rules? Do you think blacks are genetically incapable of following those rules? I don't.

https://www.jacksonville.com/article...NION/801258741

"Black men with a 4 year college degree can get to within 80% of whites"

I doubt the gap is that big when you normalize for other variables besides race. But let's address the huge problem (fatherlessness), get blacks to within 80%, then chip away at the remaining obstacles.

I looked up a fascinating stat. Black immigrants from Africa, have higher average incomes, than American blacks. That's astounding to me. Black immigrants from Africa have an average income of 43k, while the average income for American born blacks is 33.5k, 22% lower.

Why is that? Are you going to tell me that white supremacists aren't as racist towards black immigrants as they are towards American blacks? Or is it possible that black immigrants haven't yet been exposed to the poisonous culture that liberalism shrouds American blacks in? You'd say the former. I'd say the latter. Immigrants, for the most part, come here wanting to work, wanting their kids to get the best possible education. Liberalism goes a long way towards destroying those impulses in American blacks, because liberals tell blacks they're victims and can't help themselves, therefore they need to vote for democrats to get a big welfare check.


https://www.pewresearch.org/social-t...nt-population/

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

No way I'd say it at work, too many woke ignoramuses like you would get triggered. Yes, it does show who I am. I am someone who thinks that if a black child was born with the same parents I had, and did everything the same way I did, they'd pretty much be exactly where I am right now.

It pretty much triggers you, doesn't it?

And yet you see absolutely no evidence of white privilege.

https://www.yesmagazine.org/social-j...ect-imaginable

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

It pretty much triggers you, doesn't it?

And yet you see absolutely no evidence of white privilege.

https://www.yesmagazine.org/social-j...ect-imaginable

"It pretty much triggers you, doesn't it?"

No, it just gives me the opportunity to bitch slap you some more.

"yet you see absolutely no evidence of white privilege"

Pretty sure I didn't say that. What I said, is that race isn't anywhere near the force your side desperately wants it to be.

Pete, I used sound facts and logic to completely annihilate your post. You can't just concede I might have a small, valid point there?

I believe in some white privilege, as I believe there's such a thing as black privilege (affirmative action, etc). I believe that race-based privilege is nothing compared to the caliber of the parents one is born into.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"It pretty much triggers you, doesn't it?"

No, it just gives me the opportunity to bitch slap you some more.

"yet you see absolutely no evidence of white privilege"

Pretty sure I didn't say that. What I said, is that race isn't anywhere near the force your side desperately wants it to be.

Pete, I used sound facts and logic to completely annihilate your post. You can't just concede I might have a small, valid point there?

I believe in some white privilege, as I believe there's such a thing as black privilege (affirmative action, etc). I believe that race-based privilege is nothing compared to the caliber of the parents one is born into.

No annihilation occurs when you quote tropes as truth, silly girl

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

No annihilation occurs when you quote tropes as truth, silly girl

I see. So it's a "trope", not a "truth", to say you need to do a multivariate analysis, not a univariate analysis, when attempting to answer such questions.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I see. So it's a "trope", not a "truth", to say you need to do a multivariate analysis, not a univariate analysis, when attempting to answer such questions.

No, your tropes are simpler than that
Black fatherlessness
If they were like the good Asians
If they would only just obey they wouldn't be shot
If they studied like Asians
Black parents don't want their children to graduate from high school.
Black parents don't want their children to get married until after 21 and not have children till after being married.
Black parents don't want their children to have a full-time job.
All they are good for is professional sports and they should keep their mouths shut and be thankful. Well, except if they are antivaccine

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The rhetoric you recite shows who you are. Do you say this out loud at work?
Or hide what you believe?

Black men with a 4 year college degree can get to within 80% of whites

https://www.jbhe.com/news_views/47_f...gedegrees.html
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

I read your idiotic post. Same issue, it's not apples to apples. So the conclusions are invalid.

Here's where your 80% gibberish comes from, within your link...

"In 2003 black males with a bachelor's degree had a median income of $41,916, which was only 82 percent of the $51,138 median income of similarly educated white males. Thus, a very large racial income gap persists for black men"

The author looked at black males with a bachelors, and compared average income to white males with a bachelors. The average incomes for blacks are 20% less, and the author immediately (stupidly) concludes that every cent of that is due to racism.

That over simplistic conclusion, would get you a richly deserved F in any serious statistics class or social sciences class.

Why? Because there are several acceptable, non-racial reasons, why that income gap can exist. Most obvious is the nature of the degrees obtained by each group. I am purely speculating here, but if blacks are more likely to go to less prestigious schools, less likely to pursue majors that are the most lucrative, that would be an explanation that has nothing to do with race. If more blacks go into teaching, and more whites go into engineering, that explains the gap and there's nothing racist about it.

You need to compare groups that are identical in every way, except race. Otherwise, the effect of another variable will skew the results. That's rudimentary social science math. You learn that the first week.

Sorry to destroy your desperate attempt to show we're racist, but all it took was an understanding of chapter 1 of a statistics text.

Liberals tried the same crap to show a gender pay gap, which just about disappears when you normalize for years of experience and the fact that women and men tend to pursue different professions.

You cannot win an honest debate on this topic. You're not holding any cards.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I read your idiotic post. Same issue, it's not apples to apples. So the conclusions are invalid.

Here's where your 80% gibberish comes from, within your link...

"In 2003 black males with a bachelor's degree had a median income of $41,916, which was only 82 percent of the $51,138 median income of similarly educated white males. Thus, a very large racial income gap persists for black men"

The author looked at black males with a bachelors, and compared average income to white males with a bachelors. The average incomes for blacks are 20% less, and the author immediately (stupidly) concludes that every cent of that is due to racism.

That over simplistic conclusion, would get you a richly deserved F in any serious statistics class or social sciences class.

Why? Because there are several acceptable, non-racial reasons, why that income gap can exist. Most obvious is the nature of the degrees obtained by each group. I am purely speculating here, but if blacks are more likely to go to less prestigious schools, less likely to pursue majors that are the most lucrative, that would be an explanation that has nothing to do with race. If more blacks go into teaching, and more whites go into engineering, that explains the gap and there's nothing racist about it.

You need to compare groups that are identical in every way, except race. Otherwise, the effect of another variable will skew the results. That's rudimentary social science math. You learn that the first week.

Sorry to destroy your desperate attempt to show we're racist, but all it took was an understanding of chapter 1 of a statistics text.

Liberals tried the same crap to show a gender pay gap, which just about disappears when you normalize for years of experience and the fact that women and men tend to pursue different professions.

You cannot win an honest debate on this topic. You're not holding any cards.

The rhetoric you recite shows who you are.

Do you say this out loud at work?

Or hide what you believe?

For the second time...........

No Jim, I assume that there are other factors.
What would they be, unless you are saying that blacks are dumber than whites.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The rhetoric you recite shows who you are.

Do you say this out loud at work?

Or hide what you believe?

For the second time...........

this is the LOWEST FORM OF DISCOURSE...GREAT JOB X 2

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

this is the LOWEST FORM OF DISCOURSE...GREAT JOB X 2

Can you?