NIH explicitly admits today it funded gain of function research at Wuhan

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

That's not true, to get the grant money EcoHealth had to submit a proposal for the research they intended to do. Based on the NIH review it was determined it wasn't necessary for the stricter P3CO protocols as they weren't going to do anything to make the viruses more infectious to humans. What they didn't do was report their findings on time per the requirements of the contract.

The problem here is people are referring to Gain of Function like some giant catch all that includes just about any research. It's like how CRT is generic for any discussion about race.

i don’t know exactly what gain of function is, and it’s likely you don’t either. what i do know, is that Faucci flatly denied providing any funding for it. but we did.

obviously, you’re going to say that what we funded, wasn’t gain of function. others will
say it was. i don’t know for sure. i do know that at this point Faucci has flip flopped and been so wrong so often, that he has zero credibility with me. the guy loves seeing himself in tv, loves the attention.

I read that combining viruses to see if you can make them
stronger, falls under the umbrella of gain of function. according to the NIH, that’s what they funded in Wuhan.

don’t worry snowflake, , like every other crisis manufactured by the Trumplicans, there’s nothing to see here. As you said, the polls show. idea is doing well. Right?

you’re an expert on finance and virology. that’s very impressive. you know more than rand paul. i don’t think you’ve ever asked a question here, because you know it all. it’s just so impressive.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i don’t know exactly what gain of function is, and it’s likely you don’t either. what i do know, is that Faucci flatly denied providing any funding for it. but we did.

The test EcoHealth were running were not expected to increase the potentcy of a virus, it was just to study molecular interactions. Google it, many documents online.

obviously, you’re going to say that what we funded, wasn’t gain of function. others will

I think I'd rather trust the scientists at the NIH, NIAID etc... over Tucker Carlson and Rand Paul.

say it was. i don’t know for sure. i do know that at this point Faucci has flip flopped and been so wrong so often, that he has zero credibility with me. the guy loves seeing himself in tv, loves the attention.

What has he flipped on? Mask wearing? Give me a break.

I read that combining viruses to see if you can make them
stronger, falls under the umbrella of gain of function. according to the NIH, that’s what they funded in Wuhan.

That's not what they were doing.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

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That's not what they were doing.

clearly...because no crazy virus has been unleashed on the world recently

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

clearly...because no crazy virus has been unleashed on the world recently

not from Wuhan at least.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

not from Wuhan at least.
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Most remarkable coincidence and biggest conspiracy theory in human history
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[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

Most remarkable coincidence and biggest conspiracy theory in human history
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Yeah, it's such coincidence that a corona virus would come from the hotbed of global coronavirus in wild animals. Why in the hell would they even be studying it there? Soros?

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Yeah, it's such coincidence that a corona virus would come from the hotbed of global coronavirus in wild animals. Why in the hell would they even be studying it there? Soros?

So you are sticking with the conspiracy theory that it didn’t come from the lab?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

Most remarkable coincidence and biggest conspiracy theory in human history
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Like Trump won the election
Cyber ninjas were going to find fraud
Rudy’s got Hunters laptop
Send in the kraken
Oh don’t forget hunters art sales
Dems are the real authoritarians
Biden weaponized the DOJ to call Parents Domestic Terrorist
Covid deaths are fake
And the world is against Republicans and God and at war with Christmas
Fauci Lied People Died
The media is all lies all the time a clear enemy of the people

Did I miss any of the right conspiracies or should I call them rational stories not being told , hidden from Americans from the deep state actors !
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Like Trump won the election
Cyber ninjas were going to find fraud
Rudy’s got Hunters laptop
Send in the kraken
Oh don’t forget hunters art sales
Dems are the real authoritarians
Biden weaponized the DOJ to call Parents Domestic Terrorist
Covid deaths are fake
And the world is against Republicans and God and at war with Christmas
Fauci Lied People Died
The media is all lies all the time a clear enemy of the people

Did I miss any of the right conspiracies or should I call them rational stories not being told , hidden from Americans from the deep state actors !
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biden did weaponize the DOJ to call parents domestic terrorists. the national association of school
boards apologized last night for calling them domestic terrorists, said specifically there was no justification for that.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nat...arent-protests

do you deny the media, overall, is way left leaning? do they ask biden tough questions?

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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

The test EcoHealth were running were not expected to increase the potentcy of a virus, it was just to study molecular interactions. Google it, many documents online.


I think I'd rather trust the scientists at the NIH, NIAID etc... over Tucker Carlson and Rand Paul.


What has he flipped on? Mask wearing? Give me a break.


That's not what they were doing.

"The test EcoHealth were running were not expected to increase the potentcy of a virus, it was just to study molecular interactions. Google it, many documents online"

Yet they did increase the potency of the virus, which is why many other scientists have called what we funded at Wuhan, the epitome of gain-of-function research. I don't know what's generally accepted to be gain-of-function, neither do you. But you'll blindly buy into every scientist whose opinion supports liberalism, and refuse to listen to any scientist whose opinion challenges liberalism. You never, ever do anything else. Not once, not ever. It's kind of boring.


Keep nodding like dutiful livestock at everything that comes from the mouth of the guy who not that long ago said masks would be an hysterical over-reaction, and that we just needed to give them two weeks to bend the curve. How many times does he have to flip-flop or just be wrong, before you'd stop listening to him?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

The test EcoHealth were running were not expected to increase the potentcy of a virus, it was just to study molecular interactions. Google it, many documents online.


I think I'd rather trust the scientists at the NIH, NIAID etc... over Tucker Carlson and Rand Paul.


What has he flipped on? Mask wearing? Give me a break.


That's not what they were doing.

you’re denying that faucci has flipped flopped on this.

he specifically said not to wear masks. are you denying that? you’re saying faucci never suggested not to wear masks? spence, he has spewed every conceivable opinion at some point.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox...radictions.amp

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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you’re denying that faucci has flipped flopped on this.

He said specifically he didn’t want to alarm people into creating a shortage of masks needed by healthcare workers. At the time also the CDC was not recommending people wear masks and the WHO didn’t know the virus was airborne.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

He said specifically he didn’t want to alarm people into creating a shortage of masks needed by healthcare workers. At the time also the CDC was not recommending people wear masks and the WHO didn’t know the virus was airborne.

So, we are told that Trump's "messaging" was the cause of all our Covid deaths. But, we are not supposed to notice the death producing messages of the "experts" like Fauci, WHO, and the CDC (not to mention the other "clowns" like the Dems and the media who parroted the same messaging at that critical early time, and wasn't it also supposed to be Trump's fault because he supposedly didn't act quick enough even though the "experts" were slow to come around on their mask messaging and criticized Trump as being racist for instituting a travel ban at the time then criticized him later for not banning travel even more when they all flip-flopped their opinion later?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by detbuch

So, we are told that Trump's "messaging" was the cause of all our Covid deaths. But, we are not supposed to notice the death producing messages of the "experts" like Fauci, WHO, and the CDC (not to mention the other "clowns" like the Dems and the media who parroted the same messaging at that critical early time, and wasn't it also supposed to be Trump's fault because he supposedly didn't act quick enough even though the "experts" were slow to come around on their mask messaging and criticized Trump as being racist for instituting a travel ban at the time then criticized him later for not banning travel even more when they all flip-flopped their opinion later?

he said a lot of things, that’s my point.

you’re saying that unless he says “ i flip flopped”, that means he didn’t flip fop?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

So, we are told that Trump's "messaging" was the cause of all our Covid deaths. But, we are not supposed to notice the death producing messages of the "experts" like Fauci, WHO, and the CDC (not to mention the other "clowns" like the Dems and the media who parroted the same messaging at that critical early time, and wasn't it also supposed to be Trump's fault because he supposedly didn't act quick enough even though the "experts" were slow to come around on their mask messaging and criticized Trump as being racist for instituting a travel ban at the time then criticized him later for not banning travel even more when they all flip-flopped their opinion later?

Trump had no messaging except it was going to go away Aka disappear . go back in the bunker with Jim and Scott.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Trump had no messaging except it was going to go away Aka disappear . go back in the bunker with Jim and Scott.
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Apparently, you've never left your bunker. Travel bans were definite messages. Passing over normal Regulatory time and procedure to get the vaccine way sooner than would have normally taken was a strong message about the need to act and actually do something. Replenishing and restocking the critical supplies that the previous administration and the states had let run out, and going above and beyond his duty to especially Help New York was speaking loud and clear.