Disaster

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

By the way, to all the Biden apologists who claim there was no way to kno wwhat was going to happen...

Reuters just released the transcript of a call President Biden had on July 23 with Afghani president Ghani (the guy we hand-picked, who fled the country without telling anyone he was leaving)...in that call Biden said "the perception...is that things are not going well in terms of the fight against the Taliban, and there is a need... to project a different picture"

Now, that necessarily means that President Biden had knowledge 5 weeks ago, that things were deteriorating. And still, we had no contingency plan, our only hope was an orderly mass exodus from a civilian airport, we had no backup plan in the event that went south.

5 weeks...we had 5 weeks notice.

And AFTER that call, Biden repeatedly told the nation that everything was OK, that there was no reason to believe our withdrawal wouldn't go as planned.

Now, if I claimed that Biden misled us, how would i be wrong, exactly?


That call happened. Read the transcript.

IT'S ALL TRUMPS FAULT!!

In all your post and most talking heads love to leave out the elephant in the room

The Afghan Army 20yr trained and equipped 300 thousand of them just said F it .

And now Americans are seeing all that equipment on Parade many thinking we left it behind

So let’s talk about honesty

If you want to be honest , start the conversation there. Because that’s when the withdrawal turned into an evacuation.

And instead of having 1 location surrounded by the Taliban you would have had multiple areas surrounded by the Taliban..

And the need to re supply and evac with already limited resources in aircraft and more boots on the ground equal greater risks ..

But iam still waiting for an answer to my questions how much additional blood aka troops are those complaining about the 100 or so Americans left in Afghanistan willing to loose to get them out.


And it’s funny Republicans suddenly are just calling them Americans

But if they saw them on the street they Would be labeled something else Terrorist !
Funny how that works
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

In all your post and most talking heads love to leave out the elephant in the room

The Afghan Army 20yr trained and equipped 300 thousand of them just said F it .

And now Americans are seeing all that equipment on Parade many thinking we left it behind

So let’s talk about honesty

If you want to be honest , start the conversation there. Because that’s when the withdrawal turned into an evacuation.

And instead of having 1 location surrounded by the Taliban you would have had multiple areas surrounded by the Taliban..

And the need to re supply and evac with already limited resources in aircraft and more boots on the ground equal greater risks ..

But iam still waiting for an answer to my questions how much additional blood aka troops are those complaining about the 100 or so Americans left in Afghanistan willing to loose to get them out.


And it’s funny Republicans suddenly are just calling them Americans

But if they saw them on the street they Would be labeled something else Terrorist !
Funny how that works
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yes the afghan army said f it. but my point, which you ignored, is that biden knew this was happening back in july, but told the country everything was proceeding in a way that would allow the final withdrawal to take place as planned.

you either intentionally ignored that, or you can’t grasp it. there isn’t a third possibility.

i never denied the afghan army blew this.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

yes the afghan army said f it. but my point, which you ignored, is that biden knew this was happening back in july, but told the country everything was proceeding in a way that would allow the final withdrawal to take place as planned.

you either intentionally ignored that, or you can’t grasp it. there isn’t a third possibility.

i never denied the afghan army blew this.
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Biden knew really that the afghans wouldn't fight 1 day is that your suggestion? ? did all the other Governments and Aid groups did they also Know their on the ground ? that the afghan army wasn't going to last a Day ?

So why didn't everyone evacuate early ? seems they thought as we did the Afghans would at least put up a fight.. and they also needed to fly back in and get people out..

but lets get back to the Air lift how many people should have gotten out? seeing your racist party is all ready spewing crap about Afghans

Republican politicians and Fox News personalities are stoking fears about the U.S. taking in Afghans trying to flee the Taliban.
Rep. Matt Rosendale saying that there is no “excuse to flood our country with refugees from Afghanistan.

“Is the mass migration of Afghan men to America really a good idea? Good for your wife, your daughter?” said the Trump campaign adviser turned host.


Stephen Miller
@StephenM
·
Aug 15
It is becoming increasingly clear that Biden & his radical deputies will use their catastrophic debacle in Afghanistan as a pretext for doing to America what Angela Merkel did to Germany & Europe.


Jim someone needs to pay attention to the big picture. if I recall you had the same issue with Trump

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Biden knew really that the afghans wouldn't fight 1 day is that your suggestion? ? did all the other Governments and Aid groups did they also Know their on the ground ? that the afghan army wasn't going to last a Day ?

So why didn't everyone evacuate early ? seems they thought as we did the Afghans would at least put up a fight.. and they also needed to fly back in and get people out..

but lets get back to the Air lift how many people should have gotten out? seeing your racist party is all ready spewing crap about Afghans

Republican politicians and Fox News personalities are stoking fears about the U.S. taking in Afghans trying to flee the Taliban.
Rep. Matt Rosendale saying that there is no “excuse to flood our country with refugees from Afghanistan.

“Is the mass migration of Afghan men to America really a good idea? Good for your wife, your daughter?” said the Trump campaign adviser turned host.


Stephen Miller
@StephenM
·
Aug 15
It is becoming increasingly clear that Biden & his radical deputies will use their catastrophic debacle in Afghanistan as a pretext for doing to America what Angela Merkel did to Germany & Europe.


Jim someone needs to pay attention to the big picture. if I recall you had the same issue with Trump

my suggestion is that, according to the transcript of the call, Biden knew in July that things weren’t going well. yet he told america that all
was swell, and obviously he had no plan to deal with things deteriorating.

And got stripers said multiple
times, that any idiot could have foreseen that it would have turned into a mess. so if any idiot should have foreseen it, maybe biden could have thought about that scenario.

you’re saying there was no way to predict the mess. got stripers said any idiot should have seen it coming. if GS is right, Biden failed to plan for what he should have seen coming.

Again, i’m not speculating, i’m going by the transcript. i’m sorry if the physical evidence supports that biden knew 5 weeks ago that it wasn’t good, i’m sorry if that upsets you. But whether you happen to like it or not, Biden said in july it wasn’t going well.

Your moronic speculation that republicans don’t actually care about people
left behind, tells us how indefensible you know your position is.

Who are the private groups trying to get those people out right now? Lots of evangelical christians like glen beck, who i think is kooky, but he’s over there trying to get people
out. I doubt george soros is doing the same. so who really cares, and who doesn’t?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

my suggestion is that, according to MY INTERPERATION OF the transcript of the call, Biden knew in July that things weren’t going well. yet he told america that all
was swell, and obviously he had no plan to deal with things deteriorating.

And got stripers said multiple
times, that any idiot could have foreseen that it would have turned into a mess. so if any idiot should have foreseen it, maybe biden could have thought about that scenario. Came together pretty fast for nobody having thought they would eventually have to do a NEO, didn't it?

you’re saying there was no way to predict the mess. got stripers said any idiot should have seen it coming. if GS is right, Biden failed to plan for what he should have seen coming.

Again, i’m not speculating, i’m going by MY INTERPERATION OF the transcript. i’m sorry if the physical evidence supports that biden knew 5 weeks ago that it wasn’t good, i’m sorry if that upsets you. But whether you happen to like it or not, Biden said in july it wasn’t going well.

Your moronic speculation that republicans don’t actually care about people
left behind, tells us how indefensible you know your position is.
Steven Miller: "Resettling [Afghans] in America is not about solving a humanitarian crisis; it’s about accomplishing an ideological objective to change America,”

Who are the private groups trying to get those people out right now? Lots of evangelical christians like glen beck, who i think is kooky, but he’s over there trying to get people (Christians only need apply)
out. And Eric Prince who had seats at $6500, but what's money? I doubt george soros is doing the same. so who really cares, and who doesn’t?
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Ah, George Soros aka the bogeyman for the right, the evangelicals are bringing people to Mexico, wonder why that is?

Here's the story of the relentless Republican effort (led by President Trump) to undermine and destroy the programs that help bring Afghan refugees to the U.S.

Over the last decade, Republicans have pushed to intentionally create a massive backlog in the Special Immigrant Visa (SIV) program - the one we use to bring Afghan partners to America, by putting onerous conditions on the applications.

In 2016, Obama asked to increase the cap for the SIV program. Senate Republicans objected.

Then, the Trump Admin started slowing down SIV processing.

When Biden took over, there were 10,000 unfilled visas, despite 17,000 applications in the pipeline.

This dovetailed with the assault by Trump and Republicans to destroy other refugee programs that bring Afghans to the U.S..

Obama admitted over 2,700 Afghan refugees.

Trump admitted 400, because he had dismantled the refugee system. Biden had to rebuild it.

And today Trumplicans are making it clear they will oppose bringing more Afghan refugees to the U.S..

Steven Miller: "Resettling [Afghans] in America is not about solving a humanitarian crisis; it’s about accomplishing an ideological objective to change America,”

Tucker Carlson says the Biden administration is allowing Afghan refugees to enter the US in order "to change our country. They'll never lose another election. That's the point, as you know."

[scottw]

hmmm....

President Biden’s approval rating has cratered to 36 percent among independents after his disastrous handling of the withdrawal from Afghanistan, according to a new NPR/PBS/Marist poll.

how can this happen with the lame stream media constantly reminding the electorate that biden is a fabulous president who only makes good decisions for them ??????

are these independents actually watching Faux news and being brainwashed into thinking like $ucker carlson ?????

we need to send paid volunteers door to door to "speak" to these people and make them understand that their thinkers aren't thinking correctly!!!!!!

[scottw]

this is pretty funny....

WASHINGTON Apr 4, 2007 An apparently botched message during a widely discouraged visit by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to Syria this week has U.S. officials criticizing rogue efforts at diplomacy among U.S. politicians.

State Department officials said Thursday they made it quite clear they did not want Pelosi to visit Syria, a nation that is listed as a state sponsor of terror and is home to terror group Hezbollah, which started a low-grade war with Israel last summer.

Even The Washington Post editorialized in Thursday editions that “Ms. Pelosi's attempt to establish a shadow presidency is not only counterproductive, it is foolish.”



‘Not a good idea’: Pelosi condemns bipartisan Afghanistan trip
August 25, 2021

Pelosi on Wednesday referred to it as a “freelance” trip and said she issued a written statement shortly after to send a message to lawmakers not to follow their actions.

Pelosi said congressional trips to Kabul would distract from the State Department

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by scottw

hmmm....

President Biden’s approval rating has cratered to 36 percent among independents after his disastrous handling of the withdrawal from Afghanistan, according to a new NPR/PBS/Marist poll.

how can this happen with the lame stream media constantly reminding the electorate that biden is a fabulous president who only makes good decisions for them ??????

are these independents actually watching Faux news and being brainwashed into thinking like $ucker carlson ?????

we need to send paid volunteers door to door to "speak" to these people and make them understand that their thinkers aren't thinking correctly!!!!!!

OMG random poll has his numbers dropping a few points below Trumps highest throughout his term, thanks some earth shattering news.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

hmmm....

President Biden’s approval rating has cratered to 36 percent among independents after his disastrous handling of the withdrawal from Afghanistan, according to a new NPR/PBS/Marist poll.

how can this happen with the lame stream media constantly reminding the electorate that biden is a fabulous president who only makes good decisions for them ??????

are these independents actually watching Faux news and being brainwashed into thinking like $ucker carlson ?????

we need to send paid volunteers door to door to "speak" to these people and make them understand that their thinkers aren't thinking correctly!!!!!!

A blip on the radar for most but popcorn to you

Trump’s average approval rating across his term, 41.1%

And yet Biden's approval rating has fallen to a new low of 43 per cent

I am not to worried about independent voters . I don’t see this pushing them towards Trump supported candidates… their a more pragmatic bunch then the avg Republican voter
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

And it’s funny Republicans suddenly are just calling them Americans

But if they saw them on the street they Would be labeled something else Terrorist !

Funny how that works

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this is idiotic

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

this is idiotic

just about everything they’ve said on this thread is idiotic.

you have to be a dedicated kool aid drinker to be unable to concede that we made a mess at the end of this.

armed with nothing else, ed so called us racists. that’s relevant here.

he didn’t care that biden ( on camera) referred to a black congressman as “boy” this week, that’s not any kind of racist red flag for him.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

this is idiotic

that funny coming from the guy who doesnt pay attention to what the right is saying