Disaster

[wdmso]

found this interesting seeing the narrative of everyone knew coming from the Right

We've now heard from the UK's Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab, who is in Pakistan as part of efforts to secure safe passage for Britons and others trying to leave Afghanistan.

At a press conference in Islamabad, Raab says there was "common widespread surprise" at the pace of the Taliban's takeover of Afghanistan.

Even the Taliban were "taken by surprise" at the speed, he says. The militants took control of Kabul on 15 August, ahead of the scheduled withdrawal of foreign troops at the end of the month.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

found this interesting seeing the narrative of everyone knew coming from the Right

We've now heard from the UK's Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab, who is in Pakistan as part of efforts to secure safe passage for Britons and others trying to leave Afghanistan.

At a press conference in Islamabad, Raab says there was "common widespread surprise" at the pace of the Taliban's takeover of Afghanistan.

Even the Taliban were "taken by surprise" at the speed, he says. The militants took control of Kabul on 15 August, ahead of the scheduled withdrawal of foreign troops at the end of the month.

Got Stripers said any idiot would have seen it coming. i guess that’s too high of a hurdle for Biden.
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Got Stripers said any idiot would have seen it coming. i guess that’s too high of a hurdle for Biden.
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Twisted my words to suit your narrative, how GOP of you.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Twisted my words to suit your narrative, how GOP of you.

Here are your exact posts on this thread, your exact words ("exact" means no twisting) describing the withdrawal...

"Your an idiot Jim if you think evacuating service members or civilians from a war, that SHOULD never have been extended beyond the mission it started on, is anything but messy."

"what Jim are you so stupid to think that in evacuation from a war zone, in a tribal Muslim country, it would go as promised"

So in your own words, (1) you'd have to be an idiot to fail to foresee that it would get messy. And (2) you'd have to be stupid to think things would go according to plan.

So what was Biden's strategy to deal with things when they got messy? What was the alternative plan to deal with the inevitable (your words) mess?

Or am I twisting your words, somehow?

See, I think you don't know the difference between my "twisting" your words, and my "using your words to club you like a baby seal".

Because according to your two statements there, the only conclusion is that Biden is stupid and an idiot. Using your barometer, your standards. Because there was no plan other than to hope things stayed stable at Kabul.

Try. Making. That. Wrong.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Here are your exact posts on this thread, your exact words ("exact" means no twisting) describing the withdrawal...

"Your an idiot Jim if you think evacuating service members or civilians from a war, that SHOULD never have been extended beyond the mission it started on, is anything but messy."

"what Jim are you so stupid to think that in evacuation from a war zone, in a tribal Muslim country, it would go as promised"

So in your own words, (1) you'd have to be an idiot to fail to foresee that it would get messy. And (2) you'd have to be stupid to think things would go according to plan.

So what was Biden's strategy to deal with things when they got messy? What was the alternative plan to deal with the inevitable (your words) mess?

Or am I twisting your words, somehow?

See, I think you don't know the difference between my "twisting" your words, and my "using your words to club you like a baby seal".

Because according to your two statements there, the only conclusion is that Biden is stupid and an idiot. Using your barometer, your standards. Because there was no plan other than to hope things stayed stable at Kabul.

Try. Making. That. Wrong.

Easy to do just read your supposed quote vs my exact words, I called you the idiot, never implied anything other than a competent commander would understand getting out of a war, especially in that part of the world would be messy. Good twist of the words to suit your narrative, try harder I’m pretty sure your the only one getting that from my original post.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Easy to do just read your supposed quote vs my exact words, I called you the idiot, never implied anything other than a competent commander would understand getting out of a war, especially in that part of the world would be messy. Good twist of the words to suit your narrative, try harder I’m pretty sure your the only one getting that from my original post.

my "supposed" quote? Those aren't your exact words?

OK, I'm an idiot for not predicting that things would go south. But you don't criticize Biden for not anticipating things going south.

"a competent commander would understand getting out of a war, especially in that part of the world would be messy."

Obviously, Biden didn't expect it would be messy. Because there was no plan to deal with the mess. He sent those 20 year old privates into a perfectly designed kill zone for a suicide bomber. What could be an easier target for a suicide bomber?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

found this interesting seeing the narrative of everyone knew coming from the Right

We've now heard from the UK's Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab, who is in Pakistan as part of efforts to secure safe passage for Britons and others trying to leave Afghanistan.

At a press conference in Islamabad, Raab says there was "common widespread surprise" at the pace of the Taliban's takeover of Afghanistan.

Even the Taliban were "taken by surprise" at the speed, he says. The militants took control of Kabul on 15 August, ahead of the scheduled withdrawal of foreign troops at the end of the month.

we also saw the transcript of a call between biden and the afghan president, where biden said it wasn’t going well.

you tell me, which is more pertinent in terms of what Biden should have known…what Biden himself said in July, ow what the UK Fireign secretary ( who you never heard of until today) says he knew.

Biden said in July that it wasn’t going well. But he told americans it was going well.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Biden said in July that it wasn’t going well. But he told americans it was going well.

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pretty sure, in that call.... the president told weekend-at-biden's exactly what was going to happen with the taliban and biden responded by checking his watch

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

we also saw the transcript of a call between biden and the afghan president, where biden said it wasn’t going well.

That's not what he said.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

That's not what he said.

the hell it isn’t.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

the hell it isn’t.
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It's not. Biden was saying that they had a stronger army but because of a lack of PR essentially some were concerned they weren't doing as well.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

It's not. Biden was saying that they had a stronger army but because of a lack of PR essentially some were concerned they weren't doing as well.

Biden's exact words from his call to the president of Afghanistan.

"things are not going well in terms of the fight against the Taliban,"

https://www.reuters.com/world/exclus...on-2021-08-31/

WTF are you talking about? The Taliban had better PR than the Afghan military, you think that’s what the problem was?

as GS said, and stupid idiot ( except Biden) should have known it would get messy, should have known it would t go according to plan. But we had no way of dealing with that, because that’s what happens when your president is a 78 year old Alzheimer’s patient and your Pentagon leadership is too busy worrying about diversity to have time to plan for contingencies in the battlefield.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Biden's exact words from his call to the president of Afghanistan.

"WTF are you talking about stupid idiot."

Understand?

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Biden's exact words from his call to the president of Afghanistan.

"things are not going well in terms of the fight against the Taliban,"

https://www.reuters.com/world/exclus...on-2021-08-31/

WTF are you talking about? The Taliban had better PR than the Afghan military, you think that’s what the problem was?

as GS said, and stupid idiot ( except Biden) should have known it would get messy, should have known it would t go according to plan. But we had no way of dealing with that, because that’s what happens when your president is a 78 year old Alzheimer’s patient and your Pentagon leadership is too busy worrying about diversity to have time to plan for contingencies in the battlefield.

I swear you can’t get past your parties talking points, knowing getting out of a 20 year war to honor an agreement by the previous administration and your own campaign promise is likely to get messy and trying to plan for completely unforeseen circumstances (like the Afghans rolling over and everyone else giving the Talaban a free pass) is another thing. Come on Jim if you think Trump could have done better well you really are an idiot, getting out that many people with so little loss of life, takes belief and confidence in your advisors and military leaders; Trump believed he was smarter than them all. Spin my comments any way you like, war is messy, getting out of one is messier, but if you think orange man could do better, get him elected if he runs and we can watch him burn democracy down.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

That's not what he said.

he also said today, that his 3.5 trillion spending bill “will ease inflationary concerns.”. Can you explain to me how federal government spending 3.5 trillion will reduce inflation? because i’ve always assumed inflation happens when there’s too much money out there.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

he also said today, that his 3.5 trillion spending bill “will ease inflationary concerns.”. Can you explain to me how federal government spending 3.5 trillion will reduce inflation? because i’ve always assumed inflation happens when there’s too much money out there.
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Looks like he's found another use for some of the money spent in Afghanistan, this guy would agree

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

he also said today, that his 3.5 trillion spending bill “will ease inflationary concerns.”. Can you explain to me how federal government spending 3.5 trillion will reduce inflation? because i’ve always assumed inflation happens when there’s too much money out there.
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Yea, because that communist organization Moody's said so.