getting fired for saying "all lives matter"

[Ian]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i notice that liberals oppose all the things that would help blacks
get ahead - in tact nuclear families, having dads, school choice, jobs over welfare.
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I feel compelled to step in here and encourage you to take these viewpoints and discuss them with a more diverse group of friend, colleagues, or whomever you associate with who has a background, racial composition and/or set of beliefs different from your own.

There are multiple dimensions to this post that are troubling to me personally, and I think you’d benefit from diving into the preconceived notions you clearly hold which led you to post it. No one here is going to be able to shift your perspective on these things, needs to be people from your circle.
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[scottw]

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT View Post
i notice that liberals oppose all the things that would help blacks
get ahead - in tact nuclear families, having dads, school choice, jobs over welfare.
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Originally Posted by Ian

I feel compelled to step in here and encourage you to take these viewpoints and discuss them with a more diverse group of friend, colleagues, or whomever you associate with who has a background, racial composition and/or set of beliefs different from your own.

There are multiple dimensions to this post that are troubling to me personally, and I think you’d benefit from diving into the preconceived notions you clearly hold which led you to post it. No one here is going to be able to shift your perspective on these things, needs to be people from your circle.

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Ian, just explain to him how liberals support school choice, the traditional family unit and jobs over welfare particularly in the minority communities that they've run for decades and decades and decades

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

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i notice that liberals oppose all the things that would help blacks
get ahead - in tact nuclear families, having dads, school choice, jobs over welfare.
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Ian, just explain to him how liberals support school choice, the traditional family unit and jobs over welfare particularly in the minority communities that they've run for decades and decades and decades

obviously he knows he can’t claim that with a straight face. so instead he calls me a racist. it’s really something. id like i try to implement the policies which social science make crystal clear would help. democrats ignore that science and double down on the same exact failed policies that brought us here. and by his logic, that makes me the racist.

can’t make that up.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Ian

I feel compelled to step in here and encourage you to take these viewpoints and discuss them with a more diverse group of friend, colleagues, or whomever you associate with who has a background, racial composition and/or set of beliefs different from your own.

There are multiple dimensions to this post that are troubling to me personally, and I think you’d benefit from diving into the preconceived notions you clearly hold which led you to post it. No one here is going to be able to shift your perspective on these things, needs to be people from your circle.
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Liberals are anti dad. Don’t you get that?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Liberals are anti dad. Don’t you get that?
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so liberals don’t mock the traditional family, they don’t mock religion, and claim that masculinity is toxic? they don’t claim that it’s healthy for women to dedicate as much energy to working as they do to raising children? i’m making all that up?

spence, do democrats oppose school choice? did they sit on their hands during the SOTU when republicans were celebrating lowest black unemployment ever?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Liberals are anti dad. Don’t you get that?
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in the 1950s ( when widespread brutal racism still existed) around 25% of black kids were born without a dad. today it’s about 75%.

Please tell us how you think that happened.



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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

in the 1950s ( when widespread brutal racism still existed) around 25% of black kids were born without a dad. today it’s about 75%.

Please tell us how you think that happened.

I’ll bite.
A brutal justice system and a rediculus “war on drugs” that is rigged to favor for profit prisons


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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

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A brutal justice system and a rediculus “war on drugs” that is rigged to favor for profit prisons

So all of those missing dads got their wives pregnant with the intent of being good dads, but got unjustly locked up.

Let's pretend I believe that. I don't, but lets pretend I do. One of the primary authors of that "brutal" crime bill which did this damage to blacks, was Joe Biden. I don't hear anyone on the left saying he's unfit because of the "brutal" way his policies treated blacks. Why is that?

[wdmso]

I guess jim fails to understand where the majority of black live what their avg income is crime and punishment impacts .. ect ect..

Yet he sound like a missionary with all the blame and fictional solutions.. I should say no solutions
Mean housing income

Asian alone $114,105
White alone $89,632
Hispanic or Latino $68,319
Black $58,985

Nationwide, black students graduated at a rate of 69 percent; Hispanics graduated at 73 percent; whites graduated at a rate of 86 percent.





The black homeownership rate is now 30.5 percentage points lower than non-Hispanic whites (72.2 percent) and 22 percentage points lower than the national homeownership rate of 63.7 percent. It is also 4.6 percentage points lower than the Hispanic

In 2014, African Americans constituted 2.3 million, or 34%, of the total 6.8 million correctional population.
African Americans are incarcerated at more than 5 times the rate of whites.

What an amazing bubble you operate in...

[Pete F.]

Instead of playing your school choice game, let's really desegregate education.

Because despite the Supreme Court’s 1954 Brown versus Board of Education decision to desegregate schools “with all deliberate speed,” too many classrooms are still segregated.

School districts made significant progress toward desegregation after the Civil Rights Act of 1964, but the trend has shifted back toward race-based school segregation. Following court decisions in the late 1960s and 1970s that required Department of Education officials to oversee implementation of desegregation plans, the rate of black students attending majority-white schools increased dramatically from 1 percent in 1963 to 43 percent in 1983. After federal oversight phased out and schools were left to make “good faith efforts” to maintain integration, significant backsliding followed. In 2012, 74 percent of black students and 80 percent of Latino students attended schools that were 50 to 100 percent minority; and of these, more than 40 percent of black and Latino students attended schools that were 90 to 100 percent minority.

This re-segregation trend often concentrates minorities in schools with fewer resources that face challenges attracting and retaining quality teachers. A mounting body of evidence indicates that school segregation has negative impacts on short-term academic achievement of minority students and their success in later life. Integrated schools have a positive impact on all students through promoting awareness and mutual understanding and ensuring that they have the necessary tools to function in an increasingly multicultural society. Not taking intentional steps to ensure that all students have the opportunity to attend quality, integrated schools perpetuates injustice, allowing the mistakes of the past to haunt the future.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I guess jim fails to understand where the majority of black live what their avg income is crime and punishment impacts .. ect ect..

Yet he sound like a missionary with all the blame and fictional solutions.. I should say no solutions
Mean housing income

Asian alone $114,105
White alone $89,632
Hispanic or Latino $68,319
Black $58,985

Nationwide, black students graduated at a rate of 69 percent; Hispanics graduated at 73 percent; whites graduated at a rate of 86 percent.





The black homeownership rate is now 30.5 percentage points lower than non-Hispanic whites (72.2 percent) and 22 percentage points lower than the national homeownership rate of 63.7 percent. It is also 4.6 percentage points lower than the Hispanic

In 2014, African Americans constituted 2.3 million, or 34%, of the total 6.8 million correctional population.
African Americans are incarcerated at more than 5 times the rate of whites.

What an amazing bubble you operate in...

"with all the blame and fictional solutions.. I should say no solutions


Fictional solutions. Yet the social science is clear, that the best defense against poverty by far, is a strong family unit with two parents. That's fictional? That's what you're saying?

As to your other statistics, you are proving my point. Blacks are not thriving like other ethnicities. But the data again is clear. Regardless of race, when their are two committed parents who are married and don't have kids until they are older than 20, very few people live in poverty.

https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/t...-middle-class/

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Ian

I feel compelled to step in here and encourage you to take these viewpoints and discuss them with a more diverse group of friend, colleagues, or whomever you associate with who has a background, racial composition and/or set of beliefs different from your own.

There are multiple dimensions to this post that are troubling to me personally, and I think you’d benefit from diving into the preconceived notions you clearly hold which led you to post it. No one here is going to be able to shift your perspective on these things, needs to be people from your circle.
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not sure where you get off assuming that my world
consists of people
only like me. again, why do democrats turn their backs on parents in cities who are begging for school choice? if there are available seats in good schools, by what possible logic would
you reject school choice?

on this issue, it’s the people
in the cities i’m listening to. they desperately want school
choice. liberals, who like to call themselves pro-choice, deny them.

so who needs to listen to others? i am the one who is listening to others.
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[Ian]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

not sure where you get off assuming that my world
consists of people
only like me. again, why do democrats turn their backs on parents in cities who are begging for school choice? if there are available seats in good schools, by what possible logic would
you reject school choice?

on this issue, it’s the people
in the cities i’m listening to. they desperately want school
choice. liberals, who like to call themselves pro-choice, deny them.

so who needs to listen to others? i am the one who is listening to others.
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I said go talk to your friends who are diverse.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Ian

I feel compelled to step in here and encourage you to take these viewpoints and discuss them with a more diverse group of friend, colleagues, or whomever you associate with who has a background, racial composition and/or set of beliefs different from your own.

There are multiple dimensions to this post that are troubling to me personally, and I think you’d benefit from diving into the preconceived notions you clearly hold which led you to post it. No one here is going to be able to shift your perspective on these things, needs to be people from your circle.
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for god’s sake, tell
me what troubling pre conceived notions i have?

i think we are failing our citizens who are stuck in cities, and i advocate for policies which will actually help them. tell
me what’s racist about that, jackass.
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[Ian]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

for god’s sake, tell
me what troubling pre conceived notions i have?

i think we are failing our citizens who are stuck in cities, and i advocate for policies which will actually help them. tell
me what’s racist about that, jackass.
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Nice name calling... that devolved quickly.
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[Ian]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

for god’s sake, tell
me what troubling pre conceived notions i have?

i think we are failing our citizens who are stuck in cities, and i advocate for policies which will actually help them. tell
me what’s racist about that, jackass.
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To put a finer point together in response to this... comment...

You said the following:

“ notice that liberals oppose all the things that would help blacks
get ahead - in tact nuclear families, having dads, school choice, jobs over welfare.”

Based on the above quote, it seems that the preconceived notions you have are that you believe that “blacks” would “get ahead” if they only focused on intact nuclear families, having dads, exercising their right to the school choice they are demanding and choosing to work over claiming welfare.

That comment insinuates you believe people of color don’t care about nuclear families, father figures in their lives and working. I’m not 100% sure I even need to include the school choice thing here to move forward with my point.

The above is troubling, at least to me. Not to you maybe, but I think if the people you associate with are truly as diverse as you claim them to be when you asked me where I “get off” assuming you hang out with only people like you (after I clearly hadn’t done so), then I encourage you to debate the quoted line with them in the context you chose to apply it on this forum.

If your quoted post was not what you intended, maybe you just need to revise your point, but as stated, it’s a head scratcher that you’re calling me the jackass...
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Ian

“ notice that liberals oppose all the things that would help blacks
get ahead - in tact nuclear families, having dads, school choice, jobs over welfare.”

I've heard many people of color make this point

Based on the above quote, it seems that the preconceived notions you have are that you believe that “blacks” would “get ahead” if they only focused on intact nuclear families, having dads, exercising their right to the school choice they are demanding and choosing to work over claiming welfare.

this would apply to anyone of any color would it not? particularly given the statistics...not a "preconceived" notion...just a fact

That comment insinuates you believe people of color don’t care about nuclear families, father figures in their lives and working.

it is troubling that you make that leap...his point is that democrats/the left consistently stand in the way of and oppose those things because it threatens the power structure, I've heard many people of color make this exact point.... ..you made it something it's not...this is part of the problem



I’m not 100% sure I even need to include the school choice thing here to move forward with my point.

at this point you have no point

The above is troubling, at least to me. Not to you maybe, but I think if the people you associate with are truly as diverse as you claim them to be when you asked me where I “get off” assuming you hang out with only people like you (after I clearly hadn’t done so), then I encourage you to debate the quoted line with them in the context you chose to apply it on this forum.

If your quoted post was not what you intended, maybe you just need to revise your point, but as stated, it’s a head scratcher that you’re calling me the jackass...
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he's probably tired of the dripping sanctimony from the leftists here and elsewhere...it does wear on you