Schiff lost his marbles

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

trumps lawyer made an opening statement listing all the previous times that aid had been temporarily withheld, and no one cared.


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Were those instances to hold up the aid done so that a person would receive a personal gain? And was the withholding of the aid done in secret like Trump and his admin has done?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

Were those instances to hold up the aid done so that a person would receive a personal gain? And was the withholding of the aid done in secret like Trump and his admin has done?
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Yes. Because everything a politician does (unless he is being term limited out) involves potential personal gain. Everything Obama did in hs first term, involved the potential for it to effect his chances of getting re elected. You could argue his decision to have Bin Laden killed (was that in his first term?) was done in the hopes it would help him get re elected, meaning it would help him keep a job paying hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.

I'll ask again, you're saying that under no circumstances can a sitting POTUS ask for an investigation of a political rival, regardless of what the political rival does? The sitting POTUS can't ask for an investigation of anything that could help him get re elected?

And for the 50th time, if Trump got the investigation and it showed that Biden didn't do anything, Trump looks stupid for wasting everyone's time. Trump has every incentive not to ask for a baseless investigation.

When Hilary's campaign gave the Steele dossier to the DOJ to use to investigate the Trump campaign, that wasn't done in the hope that it would provide personal gain for Hilary?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

trumps lawyer made an opening statement listing all the previous times that aid had been temporarily withheld, and no one cared.

Is there a law that says someone running for president, is immune from being investigated for anything?
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Funny You and other Trump fans heard the evidence and heard Trump ask Russia to hack Clinton and if China was listening to do the same and ask Ukraine to do him a favor against Biden on the perfect call.. but never ask 2016 17 or but late 18 when he saw a poll PS the aid wasn't held until guess when

AND YOU DON'T CARE

But but Carter Page

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Funny You and other Trump fans heard the evidence and heard Trump ask Russia to hack Clinton and if China was listening to do the same and ask Ukraine to do him a favor against Biden on the perfect call.. but never ask 2016 17 or but late 18 when he saw a poll PS the aid wasn't held until guess when

AND YOU DON'T CARE

But but Carter Page

it’s also interesting that democrats don’t care about the unethical
behavior revealed in the hacked emails, all that matters is who hacked.
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[fishgolf]

"What you’re pointing out is something they should focus on AFTER they hold him accountable for abuse of power, not instead!!!"
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All I'm saying if the aid was so vital, why have a 10 or 11 month process to deliver it? If it was approved in August of 2018, why not write the check in January of 2019 if the need was so vital to the troops in the field, and our own Nat'l Sec? Focusing on the weeks that Trump held it up rather than the total timeline makes it a red herring, crime or not.
(btw, I didn't vote for Trump...)

[Ian]

Originally Posted by fishgolf

"What you’re pointing out is something they should focus on AFTER they hold him accountable for abuse of power, not instead!!!"
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All I'm saying if the aid was so vital, why have a 10 or 11 month process to deliver it? If it was approved in August of 2018, why not write the check in January of 2019 if the need was so vital to the troops in the field, and our own Nat'l Sec? Focusing on the weeks that Trump held it up rather than the total timeline makes it a red herring, crime or not.
(btw, I didn't vote for Trump...)

You can say that it’s less important than it seems to be, but can’t really call it a red herring.

Regardless of the length of the delay: one hour, one day, one year, it’s about why he did it.

Personal gain through a power only granted to him by the office he holds.

That’s abuse of power, and then he repeatedly stood in the way of the constitutional checks and balances afforded to congress to hold him accountable for it.

This is pretty black and white, regardless of how much the Biden’s did coke with the Ukrainians.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

it’s also interesting that democrats don’t care about the unethical
behavior revealed in the hacked emails, all that matters is who hacked.
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this unethical behavior,, plotting against the socialist. That Republicans love to call socialist yet hope he gets the nomination chime in how unfairly he was treated as if they care. His nomination they hope will help them keep the White House, please spare me ... PS it was the Russians who hacked a US political party it should matter but again not to Trump fans who claim America 1st but that only applies to Trump and his supporters, the rest hate America anyway


Funny outrage over Dems being unethical

But Trumps behavior Republicans cant even use the word unethical out of fear ,

The use of the word criminal in a sentence would get them banished


"don’t care about the unethical
behavior revealed in the hacked emails, all that matters is who hacked them"

Do you hear yourself ? this is Trumps and the Republicans entire defense . Is built on your statement

All that matters is who did the telling ..... Whistleblower

[scottw]

lost marbles cause mindless babble syndrome....

[PaulS]

You have a very cynical view of politicians if you think everything they do is to benefit themselves and not the country. A lot of the civil servants who have come forward to discuss Trump's misdeeds are doing it to their potential detriment. Having a foreign country announced an investigation into the bidens without any proof that they did anything wrong is as sleazy as it gets. He wasn't looking for an investigation into the Biden's just an announcement that there was an investigation. An FYI Hillary was not in office
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by PaulS

You have a very cynical view of politicians if you think everything they do is to benefit themselves and not the country. A lot of the civil servants who have come forward to discuss Trump's misdeeds are doing it to their potential detriment. An FYI Hillary was not in office
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"You have a very cynical view of politicians if you think everything they do is to benefit themselves and not the country."

So if the Bidens were actually engaged in nepotism and corruption, you're saying it doesn't benefit the country to know that? It only benefits Trump? Seeking the truth isn't a noble goal?

Constantly moving the goalposts...constantly.

I never said presidents don't care about the good of the country. I'm saying that they also care a lot about getting re elected. You say that makes me cynical, I say denying that makes you naïve.

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"You have a very cynical view of politicians if you think everything they do is to benefit themselves and not the country."

So if the Bidens were actually engaged in nepotism and corruption, you're saying it doesn't benefit the country to know that? It only benefits Trump? Seeking the truth isn't a noble goal?

Constantly moving the goalposts...constantly.

I never said presidents don't care about the good of the country. I'm saying that they also care a lot about getting re elected. You say that makes me cynical, I say denying that makes you naïve.

You need to look up the definition of nepotism cuz you have no idea what it means. There has never been anyone who's posted anything indicating how they were corrupt but you continue to defame someone with no facts that is pathetic.
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[Pete F.]

Asking for a friend : "How can any Republican's head end up on a pike if it's already stuck up Trump's ass?"
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Funny You and other Trump fans heard the evidence and heard Trump ask Russia to hack Clinton and if China was listening to do the same and ask Ukraine to do him a favor against Biden on the perfect call.. but never ask 2016 17 or but late 18 when he saw a poll PS the aid wasn't held until guess when

AND YOU DON'T CARE

But but Carter Page

Clinton's server on which the 33,000 deleted emails were once located, was out of service and in the hands of the FBI at the time that Trump made his obviously sarcastic remark. So Russia could not have hacked them then. He was obviously not asking for Russia to hack Clinton, but making a sarcastic remark to point out Clinton's duplicitous destroying of those emails before she handed the server over to the FBI. And Trump threw in a sarcastic shot at the media as well (which had been all in for Clinton and constantly bashing Trump) by saying that the media would reward the Russians for finding the missing emails.

If Trump had been serious about asking Putin (Russia) for help, he would have done so through secret channels not on national TV for millions of voters, all the media, and the FBI and CIA and the Democrat Party and the rest of the "Swamp" to see and hear.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Clinton's server on which the 33,000 deleted emails were once located, was out of service and in the hands of the FBI at the time that Trump made his obviously sarcastic remark. So Russia could not have hacked them then. He was obviously not asking for Russia to hack Clinton, but making a sarcastic remark to point out Clinton's duplicitous destroying of those emails before she handed the server over to the FBI. And Trump threw in a sarcastic shot at the media as well (which had been all in for Clinton and constantly bashing Trump) by saying that the media would reward the Russians for finding the missing emails.

If Trump had been serious about asking Putin (Russia) for help, he would have done so through secret channels not on national TV for millions of voters, all the media, and the FBI and CIA and the Democrat Party and the rest of the "Swamp" to see and hear.

Thru a back channel perhaps?
A resident of Trump Tower?
Or maybe thru Lev or Igor to Firtash?
Interesting new Parnas tape tonight
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Thru a back channel perhaps?
A resident of Trump Tower?
Or maybe thru Lev or Igor to Firtash?
Interesting new Parnas tape tonight
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In other words, you got nothin'. So had to make a ridiculous stretch, and change the subject. Just can't let one of those ridiculous lies about Trump be exposed. It, like the Charlotte "good Nazis on both sides" lies that can be used to fatten up some skinny diatribe about Trump that suffers from the lack of a healthy dose of actual facts.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

In other words, you got nothin'. So had to make a ridiculous stretch, and change the subject. Just can't let one of those ridiculous lies about Trump be exposed. It, like the Charlotte "good Nazis on both sides" lies that can be used to fatten up some skinny diatribe about Trump that suffers from the lack of a healthy dose of actual facts.

In response to your typical justification that Floridaman’s actions if “wrong” are jokes.

I’m sure it will be the new defense for criminal cases, “my client was joking”.
Maybe Alan Underwear will use it to claim his latest guilty clients innocence.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Clinton's server on which the 33,000 deleted emails were once located, was out of service and in the hands of the FBI at the time that Trump made his obviously sarcastic remark. So Russia could not have hacked them then. He was obviously not asking for Russia to hack Clinton, but making a sarcastic remark to point out Clinton's duplicitous destroying of those emails before she handed the server over to the FBI. And Trump threw in a sarcastic shot at the media as well (which had been all in for Clinton and constantly bashing Trump) by saying that the media would reward the Russians for finding the missing emails.

If Trump had been serious about asking Putin (Russia) for help, he would have done so through secret channels not on national TV for millions of voters, all the media, and the FBI and CIA and the Democrat Party and the rest of the "Swamp" to see and hear.

Here we go with. The emails.. another outrage the right couldn't support with any evidence , just like. Crowd strike

And if on cue what trump asked it was hyperbole,,, funny he could have ask ukraine , as you suggested go through secret channels for dirt on biden or even offical ones

But like russia China he thinks crimes in the open aren't crimes and clearly his supporters feel the same way

[Pete F.]

Trump’s concern about ‘corruption’ in Ukraine is highly selective and remarkably convenient.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Trump’s concern about ‘corruption’ in Ukraine is highly selective and remarkably convenient.
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i completely agree.

What’s also selective, is the liberal concern for politicians benefitting personally from the decisions they make.
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[Got Stripers]

I can't believe this is still being debated, like that process is ever going to change either sides mind on this board, it's not worth the time at this point, it will all be over one way or the other soon. So much evidence has come out since the house finished, I can't believe the right is even attempting to claim innocence at this point.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

I can't believe this is still being debated, like that process is ever going to change either sides mind on this board, it's not worth the time at this point, it will all be over one way or the other soon. So much evidence has come out since the house finished, I can't believe the right is even attempting to claim innocence at this point.

the more the evidence the tapes, photos ,written testimony trump supporters keep digging a deeper hole to hide in defending the defenseless .

the senate would never impeach him for any offense ..

But this defense of he did nothing wrong.. that won't mention trump's connection with giuliani on the floor of the senate is clear to the vast amount of americans outside his base ,

what he did wasn't right... and my not rise to removal of any POTUS not just Trump ... But will they Vote for him again ... that the Big question

[wdmso]

Trump tweet “Shifty Adam Schiff is a CORRUPT POLITICIAN, and probably a very sick man,” Trump tweeted Sunday morning. “He has not paid the price, yet, for what he has done to our Country!”


Republicans not outraged at the above threat from Trump the POTUS

yet their outraged with the suggestion Trump would have their heads on a Pike

Republican senators outraged after Schiff repeats 'head will be on a pike' report

Such cowards

[Sea Dangles]

Differing standards as usual.
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[Sea Dangles]

Back to gibberish I guess.🙄
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[scottw]

every media/democrap bombshell blows up in their faces...it's pretty amusing

[Pete F.]

Mitt Romney just said he supports calling John Bolton as a witness for Trump’s removal trial: “I can't begin to tell you how John Bolton's testimony would ultimately play on a final decision but it's relevant. And therefore, I'd like to hear it.”

[Pete F.]

It's kind of funny.

Lindsey Graham minced no words warning the Republican party that Trump would destroy them. And now that Trump is burning the GOP to the ground Lindsey is standing right there next to Trump handing him the gasoline and the matches.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

It's kind of funny.

Lindsey Graham minced no words warning the Republican party that Trump would destroy them. And now that Trump is burning the GOP to the ground Lindsey is standing right there next to Trump handing him the gasoline and the matches.

For Graham's entire career, his goal was to be the Democrats' favorite Republican. He always compromised with democrats, to the point that a lot of conservatives didn't like Graham. Do you know what changed him? Do you know what finally illumintd the truth to him? The Kavanaugh debacle.

Your side turned Graham into a staunch conservative attack dog. Limbaugh and Hannity used to make fun of Graham all day long for being liberal, now Graham is on Hannity almost every day. Just like you did a lot to get Trump elected, just like you're doing everything humanly possible (and many things heretofore not thought to be possible) to get him re-elected.

[Sea Dangles]

I sympathize with your distress PeteF.
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[Pete F.]

Fox News' Chris Wallace on the Bolton news: "If you want a sense of how big the news is that we've heard in the past 12-14 hours, listen to the Trump supporters...spinning like crazy that it isn't big news and you get a sense that this is really an important development."