House to vote on impeachment

[ReelinRod]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Vindman is not the one being impeached so don’t deflect with that and yet another but Obama.

Vindman's allegiance to Ukraine and his feeling that Trump was threatening opportunities for Ukraine to get US assistance, is the entire reason for all of this. Without Vindman's "concern" that Ukraine lives were at risk without this aid, none of this would be happening. It is within reason to wonder if he has fully expressed his motivation for this 2019 action (and to be curious about his previous inaction on behalf of Ukraine, when Obozo refused to help) . . .

We could ask what was Obozo's reasoning for substituting blankets for Javelins as Russian tanks were rolling, and just who the hell did he think he was, deciding by himself and in opposition to his diplomatic corps, such an important foreign policy position when Ukraininan lives were in the balance?

Was Vindman either too stupid or too much of a yes man working in Obozo's White House back then to "resist" or share with others his concern that Ukraine was under threat of being sacrificed to Russia by the actions of a rogue President?

I believe those are questions Vindman should be asked.

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Calling Floridaman’s actions “foreign policy” won’t change the fact that he attempted to secretly subvert Congress’ constitutional authority by coercing a foreign government to investigate a U.S. citizen for his own personal gain.

Again, a characterization based in feelings that flow from your political agenda, supported by confirmation bias (AKA, a propagandized personal opinion).

Originally Posted by Pete F.

A high crime by another name is still a crime.

And leftist Trump haters using the impeachment process when no crime has been committed just to interfere with an upcoming election, is just as criminal.

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[spence]

Originally Posted by ReelinRod

Vindman's allegiance to Ukraine

Shameful.

[ReelinRod]

Originally Posted by spence

Shameful.

Do you need a tissue?

Vindman's concern was first framed in how he "didn't think it proper" to ask the Ukraine to assist an investigation into "a US citizen".

He felt "the call" could impact US assistance to Ukraine because if Ukraine did help it could be perceived to be partisan. Such a perception could result in a negative feeling in Congress, eroding support for Ukraine being awarded aid packages in the future.

He applied his feelings to conjure these "conclusions" and couched that concern in the magic words "national security".

He then "reported his concerns" to the NSC's legal counsel . . . AKA, his twin brother.

I stand by my statement that Vindman's (both of them) primary concern was perpetuating and enhancing pro- Ukrainian positions within the US government . . . As such, his motivations and actions are certainly subject to inquiry.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by ReelinRod

Do you need a tissue?

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spence is pretty fragile

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by ReelinRod

Vindman's allegiance to Ukraine and his feeling that Trump was threatening opportunities for Ukraine to get US assistance, is the entire reason for all of this. Without Vindman's "concern" that Ukraine lives were at risk without this aid, none of this would be happening. It is within reason to wonder if he has fully expressed his motivation for this 2019 action (and to be curious about his previous inaction on behalf of Ukraine, when Obozo refused to help) . . .

The phone call is the reason, Vindman was by no means alone in his reaction to Trumps actions but if you want to use as you say "Again, a characterization based in feelings that flow from your political agenda, supported by confirmation bias (AKA, a propagandized personal opinion)."


We could ask what was Obozo's reasoning for substituting blankets for Javelins as Russian tanks were rolling, and just who the hell did he think he was, deciding by himself and in opposition to his diplomatic corps, such an important foreign policy position when Ukraininan lives were in the balance?

Was Vindman either too stupid or too much of a yes man working in Obozo's White House back then to "resist" or share with others his concern that Ukraine was under threat of being sacrificed to Russia by the actions of a rogue President?

I believe those are questions Vindman should be asked.

Obama rejected a request from Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko for lethal aid in 2014, though the White House approved a $53 million aid package that included vehicles, patrol boats, body armor and night-vision goggles, as well as humanitarian assistance.

U.S. officials were concerned that providing the Javelins to Ukraine would escalate their conflict with Russia. Key allies, including Germany, were not keen on sending weapons into the conflict zone, said Michael Kofman, an expert on Russia and senior research scientist at the CNA Corporation.

Between 2014 and 2016, the United States committed more than $600 million in security assistance to Ukraine.

Under Obama, the federal government started the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative, which sent other kinds of U.S. military equipment to the country. From 2016 to 2019, Congress appropriated $850 million.

In the last year of the Obama administration, Congress authorized lethal aid, but it didn’t include the Javelins.

But it's all Obama or is it your Trumplican narrative



Again, a characterization based in feelings that flow from your political agenda, supported by confirmation bias (AKA, a propagandized personal opinion).



And leftist Trump haters using the impeachment process when no crime has been committed just to interfere with an upcoming election, is just as criminal.

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Keep acting as another of Putin's Puppets, Floridaman is still the conman he has been for his entire life. It's catching up with him now, in his private life and business he was always able to throw up a smokescreen and you can waste a lot of resources pursuing an idiot.
People dealt with him in business and knew how to restrain him, bankers and investors just made it so he couldn't get his hand in the cookie jar. He was willing to do or say anything as long as you threw him a few bucks and he could get you lots of media exposure. Always a balancing act.
What he is doing now matters, there are few restraints on the position of president, his lack of skill is showing and his con isn't holding up.

He is committing crimes in plain view, claiming everyone does it.

[ReelinRod]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Keep acting as another of Putin's Puppets,

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by ReelinRod

Do you need a tissue?

So what was Trump's reason for withholding aid to Ukraine?